New Ruger American won't fire

[257wbymagkiller]

Hey guys so I sold a brand new in the box Ruger American to another member and he said it isn't firing. The ammo was Tula and said it fired 2 out of 20 times. It would just soft touch the primer. I was the original owner gun has never left the box. Any ideas as to what's causing this. Seems to me it could be a firing pin issue or maybe head space problem. 

[huntnfmly]

Could be bad ammo

[jay.sharkbait]

What caliber?

[257wbymagkiller]

It is a .308

[superdown]

Tulammo is on the cheap side they say this on their website:

 "TulAmmo rifle cartridges are often thought of as "cheap" ammunition. We find that somewhat ironic. Cheap ammo is typically unreliable and can't be trusted to perform, or for that matter, even function. Yet time and again we hear that our rifle cartridges are the one that shooters choose to purchase in bulk over other so-called "cheap" brands. Performance AND economy - TulAmmo."


 Maybe have him try some reputable domestic brand ammo i just sighted in my Ruger american predator in .308 last weekend and it fired Federal powershock, Hornady superformance and Federal match ammo all flawlessly. Also Google Tula ammo not firing lots of results will show up.

[257wbymagkiller]

Ok I'll see if he can try some different ammo

[jay.sharkbait]

It is a .308

Most likely really hard primers.

Some ammunition use harder primers for semi automatic rifles.

[257wbymagkiller]

It is a .308

Most likely really hard primers.

Some ammunition use harder primers for semi automatic rifles.

Never thought that. We he is going to try federal and see. If not I'll buy it back and off to Ruger it wil go. 

[Nmesub]

Running steel case ammo through a bolt gun? Wouldn't recommend it.

[257wbymagkiller]

Running steel case ammo through a bolt gun? Wouldn't recommend it.

I never do run steel in my bolt guns. So we will see if it fires brass or not

[Oh Mah]

There have been quite a few in at the Range that were having the same issue.I think it is a firing pin problem.No matter the primer it should always set it off.pin to short or spring to weak one or the other in my opinion.Look at the pin mark very weak not deep enough indention to break the primer is what i have seen.

[257wbymagkiller]

There have been quite a few in at the Range that were having the same issue.I think it is a firing pin problem.No matter the primer it should always set it off.pin to short or spring to weak one or the other in my opinion.Look at the pin mark very weak not deep enough indention to break the primer is what i have seen.

I've seen this before with the 300BLK if that is the issues Ruger should issues a RMA for the rifle to go back to them. It is very frustrating. I can only imagine how frustrated the buyer is. If it is this problem I feel bad l. I know it's the factory's problem but still it's a crappy situation. At least he was cool about it and we're working threw the problem.  never have had a problem with a Huntwa member.

[savagehunter]

Had the same problem with a savage heavy barrel 308 model 10. Shot 10 rnd of that cra just customers half didn't fire and the last one stuck the case pretty good. Never again.

[wadu1]

It is a .308

Most likely really hard primers.

Some ammunition use harder primers for semi automatic rifles.

I agree with Sharkbait, hard primers. I've been using Rio shot shells for over a year without a problem until a 5 day shoot in Vegas, broke two firing pins on my Browning O/U. The Browning Rep was in attendance so I asked him what was my problem with the pins? The first thing he asked what ammo was I using and I told him Rio and his response was Rio had hard primers that will damage pins and only cause a slight dimple on the primer. Now after 10K rounds if Federal or Winchester not a hiccup.

[257wbymagkiller]

It is a .308

Most likely really hard primers.

Some ammunition use harder primers for semi automatic rifles.

I agree with Sharkbait, hard primers. I've been using Rio shot shells for over a year without a problem until a 5 day shoot in Vegas, broke two firing pins on my Browning O/U. The Browning Rep was in attendance so I asked him what was my problem with the pins? The first thing he asked what ammo was I using and I told him Rio and his response was Rio had hard primers that will damage pins and only cause a slight dimple on the primer. Now after 10K rounds if Federal or Winchester not a hiccup.

Never thought of this unti now

[Duckslayer89]

There have been quite a few in at the Range that were having the same issue.I think it is a firing pin problem.No matter the primer it should always set it off.pin to short or spring to weak one or the other in my opinion.Look at the pin mark very weak not deep enough indention to break the primer is what i have seen.

I've seen friends rifles not shoot the hard primer cheap stuff. American rifles are made to shoot quality brass ammunition not Russian surplus hard primer stuff. It's hard primers guaranteed!

[Oh Mah]

It is possible 

[Oh Mah]

Has anyone had this problem with Tula ammo in anything other than the Ruger?

[257wbymagkiller]

I've never shot tula ammo the cheapest ammo I buy for my bigger bolt guns is  remington core lokts. I had a ruger american in 270 and it would shoot anything I gave it. I never did try tula though.

[bobcat]

I've never even heard of Tula. You can buy Winchester power points for less than $20/box.

[257wbymagkiller]

I've never even heard of Tula. You can buy Winchester power points for less than $20/box.

True, and that is good ammo to.

[257wbymagkiller]

Got an update from the buyer, he switched ammo to a box of Winchester and the rifle shot flawless. 

[jay.sharkbait]

Got an update from the buyer, he switched ammo to a box of Winchester and the rifle shot flawless. 

I'm shocked.......

[257wbymagkiller]

Got an update from the buyer, he switched ammo to a box of Winchester and the rifle shot flawless. 

I'm shocked.......

Hahahaha 

[jay.sharkbait]

I've never even heard of Tula. You can buy Winchester power points for less than $20/box.

One of the largest and oldest arms manufacturers in the world.

[bobcat]

I've never even heard of Tula. You can buy Winchester power points for less than $20/box.

One of the largest and oldest arms manufacturers in the world.

Well this is the first I've heard of it and I know I sure won't be buying their ammo!

[257wbymagkiller]

I've never even heard of Tula. You can buy Winchester power points for less than $20/box.

One of the largest and oldest arms manufacturers in the world.

Well this is the first I've heard of it and I know I sure won't be buying their ammo!

For sure, but i do want to say the way he handled him self was top notch and it was good to meet him. So far every one off here has been a pleasure to buy and sell from.

[Lucky1]

I thought that you are not supposed to shoot military grade ammo in a standard bolt gun. I think Tula ammo is cheap military grade ammo.
The same is true for 556 ammo, it is loaded to military specs and is too hot for basic 223 rifles.

[BullMagnet76]

Had the same problem with my Ruger Predator.  Had to send it back to Ruger, they gave me a whole new bolt

[jay.sharkbait]

Ok, so maybe something to clear the air here. I am pretty sure the COMBLOC ammunition is meant for semi auto rifles or at least they are covering thier bases.

The harder primers are sometimes needed in semi auto weapons. Many semi auto rifles use a floating firing pin and there is a chance, however slight that firing pin inertia could ignite the primer. There are also concerns with crew served weapons that fire from an open bolt.

I use BR-2 primers in my M1a. They are known as a soft primer, but I've never had one slam  fire. I've cleared that rifle and had the chambered but unfired round show a light primer strike. I would never use this ammunition in my FAL, Ar10 or some AKM based rifles.

As far as shooting .556/7.62 in bolt rifles chambered in .223/.308? I've done it for decades and never had a single problem.

Last... As long as I'm at it. You only need small base sizing dies if you suspect that the brass has been fired in a belt fed open bolt weapon such as a FN 249 or 240. The chambers and headspace can vary widely and can deform the brass making small base dies necessary. NOTE... Do NOT fire commercial ammunition in a wiped out beltfed machine gun.

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[257wbymagkiller]

I had a problem a while back when the first released the Ruger American ranch in 300 BLK. They sent me a new bolt as well. But from what I've read the 300 BLK had a mess of problems

[257wbymagkiller]

Dang shark bait. You killed it on that post.  lots of good info. 

[Duckslayer89]

Ok, so maybe something to clear the air here. I am pretty sure the COMBLOC ammunition is meant for semi auto rifles or at least they are covering thier bases.

The harder primers are sometimes needed in semi auto weapons. Many semi auto rifles use a floating firing pin and there is a chance, however slight that firing pin inertia could ignite the primer. There are also concerns with crew served weapons that fire from an open bolt.

I use BR-2 primers in my M1a. They are known as a soft primer, but I've never had one slam  fire. I've cleared that rifle and had the chambered but unfired round show a light primer strike. I would never use this ammunition in my FAL, Ar10 or some AKM based rifles.

As far as shooting .556/7.62 in bolt rifles chambered in .223/.308? I've done it for decades and never had a single problem.

Last... As long as I'm at it. You only need small base sizing dies if you suspect that the brass has been fired in a belt fed open bolt weapon such as a FN 249 or 240. The chambers and headspace can vary widely and can deform the brass making small base dies necessary. NOTE... Do NOT fire commercial ammunition in a wiped out beltfed machine gun.

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I have a ruger mini 30. Is that a floating firing pin? That's crazy about slam firing I've never even heard of that before!