Black Eagle Arrows

[AlbinoRhino]

made the switch to BE carnivores to try in elk season and had no luck in the early season.  but I'm wondering if anyone has had any issues with their durability? maybe I've just been lucky in the past but my Victory Arrows and Gold Tips have all held up to more punishment.. maybe it's a bad batch but wondering if others have had similar experiences

[kentrek]

I had a Ramage bust in half this year stump shooting into a perfect sand bank.....going back to gold tips

[hogslayer]

I think that when you get a 100 percent carbon arrow that is .001 straightness you lose some toughness of the arrow.  It's kind of one of things.  If you gain something you lose something.  I had one break on an elk last year which is to be expected.  This year I shot one and it hit a tree and went halfway into the dirt and came out spinning perfect

[theleo]

My Spartans are definitely more fragile than my old Trophy Ridge arrows, but I've also never found anything I can abuse as badly as I can those. Carnivores being a little fragile is a pretty common complaint. They're a lite weight shaft and they get that from having thinner sidewalls than most. Compared to GT Hunters the Carnivores have about a %10 thinner sidewall and save you about %10 GPI. Going liter with a thinner sidewall costs you durability, just a fact of life. 

[AlbinoRhino]

My Spartans are definitely more fragile than my old Trophy Ridge arrows, but I've also never found anything I can abuse as badly as I can those. Carnivores being a little fragile is a pretty common complaint. They're a lite weight shaft and they get that from having thinner sidewalls than most. Compared to GT Hunters the Carnivores have about a %10 thinner sidewall and save you about %10 GPI. Going liter with a thinner sidewall costs you durability, just a fact of life.

I'm shooting the 250 spine and the arrows are 9.5 gpi does the same rule apply?

[coop2424]

I have rampages and had one pass through target and ko a large rock and field tip was destroyed and arrow was good..  I was shocked with how hard it hit and what the field point looked like.

[theleo]

My Spartans are definitely more fragile than my old Trophy Ridge arrows, but I've also never found anything I can abuse as badly as I can those. Carnivores being a little fragile is a pretty common complaint. They're a lite weight shaft and they get that from having thinner sidewalls than most. Compared to GT Hunters the Carnivores have about a %10 thinner sidewall and save you about %10 GPI. Going liter with a thinner sidewall costs you durability, just a fact of life.

I'm shooting the 250 spine and the arrows are 9.5 gpi does the same rule apply?

Couldn't find anything for a 250 spine arrow for GT (haven't paid attention to GT for awhile) but your Carnivores have about the same wall thickness as a 300 spine GT. If you're truly needing a 250 spine arrow I'd imagine you'd be going through 300 spine GT Hunters as well.

[highside74]

Ive never used Black Eagle arrows but...

Gold Tip XT are and will continue to be my arrow of choice. I've had Easton, Carbon Express and Beman over the last 12 years and Gold Tip are by far the toughest of them all. And I can get a dozen bare shafts for under $100

[AlbinoRhino]

My Spartans are definitely more fragile than my old Trophy Ridge arrows, but I've also never found anything I can abuse as badly as I can those. Carnivores being a little fragile is a pretty common complaint. They're a lite weight shaft and they get that from having thinner sidewalls than most. Compared to GT Hunters the Carnivores have about a %10 thinner sidewall and save you about %10 GPI. Going liter with a thinner sidewall costs you durability, just a fact of life.

I'm shooting the 250 spine and the arrows are 9.5 gpi does the same rule apply?

Couldn't find anything for a 250 spine arrow for GT (haven't paid attention to GT for awhile) but your Carnivores have about the same wall thickness as a 300 spine GT. If you're truly needing a 250 spine arrow I'd imagine you'd be going through 300 spine GT Hunters as well.

So here's the story I was using Gold tips before the season started and loved their product (wish they were a little heavier) all was good until I started shooting my broadheads.. it was then that I was informed that my proshop has always underspined my Arrows (#70 29 draw 30-31 inch arrow) they always set me up with 340s I came in and asked for 300 in the Gold TiP XTs and they didn't have them.. tight on cash I shopped and saw a close out on the BE carnivores for dirt cheap looking at their chart they said I needed 300 spine which were sold out.. did some research and found a lot of people claiming a slightly over spines arrow through a tuned bow will not affect arrow flight.. so I went with the 250 spine.. that's how I landed with BE carnivores and the 250 spine... so my 340 GT spine held up better then the BE 250 but the price was unbeatable (you get what you pay for).. probably to much info but that's how all this came about

[theleo]

So here's the story I was using Gold tips before the season started and loved their product (wish they were a little heavier) all was good until I started shooting my broadheads.. it was then that I was informed that my proshop has always underspined my Arrows (#70 29 draw 30-31 inch arrow) they always set me up with 340s I came in and asked for 300 in the Gold TiP XTs and they didn't have them.. tight on cash I shopped and saw a close out on the BE carnivores for dirt cheap looking at their chart they said I needed 300 spine which were sold out.. did some research and found a lot of people claiming a slightly over spines arrow through a tuned bow will not affect arrow flight.. so I went with the 250 spine.. that's how I landed with BE carnivores and the 250 spine... so my 340 GT spine held up better then the BE 250 but the price was unbeatable (you get what you pay for).. probably to much info but that's how all this came about

Then I'd say it's more that the Carnivores are just a more fragile arrow than what your GT's are. You're not the first guy to notice they're a little delicate and won't be the last. I was just playing devils advocate and give some possible explanations.

I'd be telling your shop to set you up correctly instead of with arrows they know you'd likely run into problems with.

[AlbinoRhino]

No your opinion is valued.. by shop doesn't run BE so I buy online directly but in your experience has the other models like Spartans and rampage held up fine and may be more of a issue with Carnivors ?

[theleo]

No your opinion is valued.. by shop doesn't run BE so I buy online directly but in your experience has the other models like Spartans and rampage held up fine and may be more of a issue with Carnivors ?

Haven't shot all of them myself , but my Spartans haven't disappointed me (the woven Trophy Ridge arrows were the toughest I've ever shot). Others I know that shoot BE arrows have been happy with the durability of the other models. If you like the standard diameter arrows I know some guys that were much happier when they moved to shooting Zombie Slayers as far as durability goes. Having the bushing on the back of the Spartans has saved me some arrows.

[Sneaky]

My hunting partner and I switched to the rampage arrows this year. I think they are not as tough as GT arrows but that is the whole idea behind accuracy and penetration. In order to get a high FOC and better penetration, they go to a skinnier, light weight arrow with more tip weight. My arrow broke this year just behind the outsert after passing through the deer and into a tree. I have also broken several arrows at the range...but to me that is not a bad thing! I definitely had an increase in accuracy and penetration compared to the GT pro's I was shooting. Worlds toughest arrow? maybe, but the benefits of a skinnier shaft/better penetration from higher FOC outweigh the slight lack in durability.

[AlbinoRhino]

My hunting partner and I switched to the rampage arrows this year. I think they are not as tough as GT arrows but that is the whole idea behind accuracy and penetration. In order to get a high FOC and better penetration, they go to a skinnier, light weight arrow with more tip weight. My arrow broke this year just behind the outsert after passing through the deer and into a tree. I have also broken several arrows at the range...but to me that is not a bad thing! I definitely had an increase in accuracy and penetration compared to the GT pro's I was shooting. Worlds toughest arrow? maybe, but the benefits of a skinnier shaft/better penetration from higher FOC outweigh the slight lack in durability.

If I keep the carnivores I'll be adding brass inserts that put me about 500 grains and 16 foc. the 250 carnivores aren't a light arrow at 9.5 gpi I'd be getting a lighter arrow at 9.2 gpi with the GT xt hunter 300s and could do the same.. have considered a small diameter arrow to but not sure if they are for me any insight from real world experience in the diameter change from standard to small (not micro)

[theleo]

If I keep the carnivores I'll be adding brass inserts that put me about 500 grains and 16 foc. the 250 carnivores aren't a light arrow at 9.5 gpi I'd be getting a lighter arrow at 9.2 gpi with the GT xt hunter 300s and could do the same.

Just remember, you're not comparing apples to apples here. The Carnivores are a light arrow for a 250, the 300's are .5 GPI lighter than your same spine GT arrows. So the same weight finished the Carnivores will have the higher FOC should you only do your weight adjustments at the pointy end if they are the same spine as the GT's.