Change the 24 caliber min in washington(added poll please vote)

[bobcat]

It's not just for kids. I'd like to use my 223 for deer in this state. I've used it in Wyoming. Why shouldn't I be able to use it here too? I most likely would never use it during general season but might want to use it if I had a doe permit. Which is what I used it for in Wyoming- doe antelope and deer.

[Bob33]

It's not just for kids. I'd like to use my 223 for deer in this state. I've used it in Wyoming. Why shouldn't I be able to use it here too? I most likely would never use it during general season but might want to use it if I had a doe permit. Which is what I used it for in Wyoming- doe antelope and deer.

Rimfires are legal in North Carolina. Why shouldn't we able to use them here too?

[Bango skank]

I've used it in Wyoming. Why shouldn't I be able to use it here too?

Because if you could use it here, then so could a ton of morons with bad judgement, thats why.

Besides, what is allowed in other states has nothing to do with whats allowed here.  Other states allow rimfire why not us?  Other states alliw scoped xbows during arch, why not us?  Other states allow hiund hunting, why not us?  And on and on and on.  Just because other states regs say its okay is no argument, if we all should have the same laws then youre talking about 1 federal f&g.  And wed probably end up more like CA than ID.  Do you really think we should allow people to hunt deer with packs of hounds just because other states do?

[bobcat]

I still haven't seen a valid reason why a 223 caliber rifle shouldn't be allowed for hunting deer.

22 rim fire is not even close.

[boneaddict]

What is your justification for the need to use your .223?   I want too isn't a valid reason, nor is "I can kill with it".     I could kill a deer with my pellet gun. Doesn't mean I should.

[bobcat]

Why do I need a reason? If it works why not use it?

[JimmyHoffa]

Is there a scientific reason?

[bobcat]

What's the scientific reason to use a bow instead of a 30/06?

[boneaddict]

It's quieter and it weighs less

[JimmyHoffa]

A miss from a .30-06 travels up to four miles and takes out few rug rats at the local elementary school.  A bow maybe 400 yds. 

I threw that up for you to help your case. 

[boneaddict]

Why do I need a reason? If it works why not use it?

Because it might not work for some people for some situations.   It's easier to enforce a regulation across the board versus this for moose, this for elk, this for deer.  This for open country, this for brush,  deal with overlapping seasons etc.   they picked a rational caliber that could effectively be used by most user groups for most purposes. 

[Branden]

Bobcat I haven't seen a valid reason why it should be allowed? Just because 'somebody wants to' isn't a valid reason either.

The kid argument is a joke. There is a solid argument that says more animals will be lost the smaller you go in caliber. Solid argument there will be less humane kills. Zero valid reason to change the law except 'I want to use my...'

Regards, Branden

[Bango skank]

I still haven't seen a valid reason why a 223 caliber rifle shouldn't be allowed for hunting deer.

22 rim fire is not even close.

For every guy who understands the weapons limitations, proper bullet selection, acceptable range etc, theres a thousand knuckleheads who dont.  Thats why.  Too many idiots will wound deer or kill them poorly.  Its unnecessary.  The line has to be drawn somewhere, and i think the 6mm line is perfectly reasonable.  If thats too much for you to handle then take up knitting or something.

[bobcat]

So if many of the comments made against the 223 caliber being legal for deer are valid, then archery gear should not be legal either, and same with a 9mm handgun. As I already said, I personally would not use my 223 WSSM if I were hunting bucks, but if I had a doe permit I might consider using it for that hunt. Not that it wouldn't kill a buck, it would. And perhaps if I was a tree stand hunter I might use it in that situation. Don't tell me a 65 grain bullet at 3,500 feet per second can't kill a deer at 50 yards or less. There's absolutely no reason that they shouldn't be legal. It's really not a big deal to me though. I'm about ready to quit hunting this state anyway. If it wasn't for my daughters I'd be done with this state for sure. But, for most of the deer hunting I do, even in Wyoming, 99% of the time I'd choose either my 30/06 or my 270. I don't own a 243 so that's not an option. And that's why I said earlier that it would be nice if I could let my kids hunt with the 223. Otherwise I'll just be downloading my 270, with a 130 grain bullet at around 2,200 feet per second. I really think the 223 65 grain bullet at 3,500 fps will kill just as well, if not better.

[Branden]

Bobcat how many people are going to limit themselves to 50 yards? How many are shooting 65 grain .223 bullets 3500 fps? Both answers are hardly any.

Difference between archery and rifle is that archery automatically limits your range. An arrow also bleeds an animal out and a bullet usually kills from shock. So not the same thing at all. You aren't allowed to use a practice tip on an arrow. Even though it's a bigger diameter then a .223 and will go right through a deer or elk.

If I was a parent and didn't have a legal rifle my kids could handle I would buy a gun they could shoot. If I didn't have the money I would sell/trade/get another job one of my rifles so my kids would have one to use.

Again why would we want to waste time/resources on changing a law that is not going to kill animals more humanely, and possibly have more wounded animals running around?

Regards, Branden