Change the 24 caliber min in washington(added poll please vote)

[j_h_nimrod]

If you think it's horrible not to use a .223 for deer, get a load of Indiana's firearms regulations.

House Enrolled Act 1231 that was passed earlier this year by the Indiana General Assembly (state legislators) allows some additional rifle cartridges to be used on private land during the deer firearms season.

A summary is as follows:

The rifle must have a barrel length of at least 16 inches
The rifle cartridges must have a cartridge case length of least 1.16 inches
The rifle cartridge must fire a bullet with a diameter that is
.243 inches (or 6 mm); or
.308 inches (or 7.62 mm)
No cartridges with a bullet diameter between .243 and .308 are legal (such as the .270 Winchester) These are the only 2 bullet diameters that are legal under this law.
A hunter may not possess more than 10 such cartridges while in the field
These new rifle cartridges may only be used on private land
Full metal jacketed bullets are illegal
These new rifle cartridges may be used during the youth deer season, deer firearms season, special antlerless firearm season (where open), and deer reduction season (in deer reduction zones where local ordinances allow the use of a firearm)
All the cartridges that were legal in recent years are still legal on public and private land and meet the following requirements: cartridges that fire a bullet of .357-inch diameter or larger; have a minimum case length of 1.16 inches; and have a maximum case length of 1.8 inches. No full metal-jacketed bullets are allowed.

Additional cartridges that are legal under HEA 1231 include, but are not limited to, the following:

6mm-06
6mm BR Remington
6mm PPC
6mm Remington
.240 Weatherby
.243 Winchester
.243 Winchester Super Short Magnum
.30 Carbine
.30 Herrett
.30 Remington AR
.30-06 Springfield
.30-30 Winchester
.30-40 Krag
.300 AAC Blackout (.300 Whisper)
.300 H&H Magnum
.300 Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum
.300 Savage
.300 Weatherby Magnum
.300 Winchester Magnum
.300 Winchester Short Magnum
.300 Remington Ultra Magnum
.307 Winchester
.308 Marlin
.308 Winchester
7.62x39mm
7.62x54mmR
There are other cartridges that meet the law’s specifications, and there are others that do not. A partial list of cartridges that are not allowed under HEA 1231 includes the .25-06 Remington, .270 Winchester, .303 British, .32 Winchester SL, 38-55 Winchester,.40 S&W, .444 Marlin, and .45-70 Government.


I think we have it pretty good...

[hunter399]

[hunter399]

There are always gonna be wounded deer,run off,with any caliber.people that shoot a 1000 rounds 223 year at there range are gonna have a better chance of hitting something useing that gun.How many of you have used a 223 to shoot coyotes or other game,It is a big game round in other states and works just fine 41 states allow it .It just another tool for the job.

[Bill W]

How come in the poll we can't vote twice.  I think we should.  I want to vote twice and don't like it that I can't.

[Cougartail]

After reading this thread I understand fully how we get so many stupid regulations.

In Alaska you can use any "center fire" round to hunt Brown Bears.

They rely on the hunters judgement in picking calibers.

I guess that's why people move there, to get away from people with control issues.

[Bango skank]

After reading this thread I understand fully how we get so many stupid regulations.

In Alaska you can use any "center fire" round to hunt Brown Bears.

They rely on the hunters judgement in picking calibers.

I guess that's why people move there, to get away from people with control issues.

Somewhere in this thread i posted about the knucklehead i met in alaska that told his "hilarious" story about putting 20+ rounds of .223 into a grizz to kill it.  Thats what you get when you trust hunters judgement.  That same brand of crap would increase here.

[hunter399]

I made it vote one time,so we can see real numbers on what people want,why are you wanting to change your vote

[Cougartail]

Yeah, and I trapped for 25+ years in Washington. While out in the field after all you "big game" hunters went home I saw, to many to count, deer and elk walking around with bullet holes in them from "appropriate" calibers.

A moron will always be a moron but unlike many down here he killed the bear, right?

So, should we ban all AR-15s because of a few morons shooting up a place? That is what you and the liberal left advocate to control human behavior.

[jay.sharkbait]

After reading this thread I understand fully how we get so many stupid regulations.

In Alaska you can use any "center fire" round to hunt Brown Bears.

They rely on the hunters judgement in picking calibers.

I guess that's why people move there, to get away from people with control issues.

I think this is reasonable.

That said hunting a large Brown Bear with a .22 Hornet would be frowned upon. But I'd love to watch.

[dreamunelk]

If you think it's horrible not to use a .223 for deer, get a load of Indiana's firearms regulations.

House Enrolled Act 1231 that was passed earlier this year by the Indiana General Assembly (state legislators) allows some additional rifle cartridges to be used on private land during the deer firearms season.

A summary is as follows:

The rifle must have a barrel length of at least 16 inches
The rifle cartridges must have a cartridge case length of least 1.16 inches
The rifle cartridge must fire a bullet with a diameter that is
.243 inches (or 6 mm); or
.308 inches (or 7.62 mm)
No cartridges with a bullet diameter between .243 and .308 are legal (such as the .270 Winchester) These are the only 2 bullet diameters that are legal under this law.
A hunter may not possess more than 10 such cartridges while in the field
These new rifle cartridges may only be used on private land
Full metal jacketed bullets are illegal
These new rifle cartridges may be used during the youth deer season, deer firearms season, special antlerless firearm season (where open), and deer reduction season (in deer reduction zones where local ordinances allow the use of a firearm)
All the cartridges that were legal in recent years are still legal on public and private land and meet the following requirements: cartridges that fire a bullet of .357-inch diameter or larger; have a minimum case length of 1.16 inches; and have a maximum case length of 1.8 inches. No full metal-jacketed bullets are allowed.

Additional cartridges that are legal under HEA 1231 include, but are not limited to, the following:

6mm-06
6mm BR Remington
6mm PPC
6mm Remington
.240 Weatherby
.243 Winchester
.243 Winchester Super Short Magnum
.30 Carbine
.30 Herrett
.30 Remington AR
.30-06 Springfield
.30-30 Winchester
.30-40 Krag
.300 AAC Blackout (.300 Whisper)
.300 H&H Magnum
.300 Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum
.300 Savage
.300 Weatherby Magnum
.300 Winchester Magnum
.300 Winchester Short Magnum
.300 Remington Ultra Magnum
.307 Winchester
.308 Marlin
.308 Winchester
7.62x39mm
7.62x54mmR
There are other cartridges that meet the law’s specifications, and there are others that do not. A partial list of cartridges that are not allowed under HEA 1231 includes the .25-06 Remington, .270 Winchester, .303 British, .32 Winchester SL, 38-55 Winchester,.40 S&W, .444 Marlin, and .45-70 Government.


I think we have it pretty good...

Considering the only large game they have is white tails and pigs that is interesting they would not allow .22 cal.

[dreamunelk]

After reading this thread I understand fully how we get so many stupid regulations.

In Alaska you can use any "center fire" round to hunt Brown Bears.

They rely on the hunters judgement in picking calibers.

I guess that's why people move there, to get away from people with control issues.

I think this is reasonable.

That said hunting a large Brown Bear with a .22 Hornet would be frowned upon. But I'd love to watch.

From a safe distance!

[jay.sharkbait]

If you think it's horrible not to use a .223 for deer, get a load of Indiana's firearms regulations.

House Enrolled Act 1231 that was passed earlier this year by the Indiana General Assembly (state legislators) allows some additional rifle cartridges to be used on private land during the deer firearms season.

A summary is as follows:

The rifle must have a barrel length of at least 16 inches
The rifle cartridges must have a cartridge case length of least 1.16 inches
The rifle cartridge must fire a bullet with a diameter that is
.243 inches (or 6 mm); or
.308 inches (or 7.62 mm)
No cartridges with a bullet diameter between .243 and .308 are legal (such as the .270 Winchester) These are the only 2 bullet diameters that are legal under this law.
A hunter may not possess more than 10 such cartridges while in the field
These new rifle cartridges may only be used on private land
Full metal jacketed bullets are illegal
These new rifle cartridges may be used during the youth deer season, deer firearms season, special antlerless firearm season (where open), and deer reduction season (in deer reduction zones where local ordinances allow the use of a firearm)
All the cartridges that were legal in recent years are still legal on public and private land and meet the following requirements: cartridges that fire a bullet of .357-inch diameter or larger; have a minimum case length of 1.16 inches; and have a maximum case length of 1.8 inches. No full metal-jacketed bullets are allowed.

Additional cartridges that are legal under HEA 1231 include, but are not limited to, the following:

6mm-06
6mm BR Remington
6mm PPC
6mm Remington
.240 Weatherby
.243 Winchester
.243 Winchester Super Short Magnum
.30 Carbine
.30 Herrett
.30 Remington AR
.30-06 Springfield
.30-30 Winchester
.30-40 Krag
.300 AAC Blackout (.300 Whisper)
.300 H&H Magnum
.300 Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum
.300 Savage
.300 Weatherby Magnum
.300 Winchester Magnum
.300 Winchester Short Magnum
.300 Remington Ultra Magnum
.307 Winchester
.308 Marlin
.308 Winchester
7.62x39mm
7.62x54mmR
There are other cartridges that meet the law’s specifications, and there are others that do not. A partial list of cartridges that are not allowed under HEA 1231 includes the .25-06 Remington, .270 Winchester, .303 British, .32 Winchester SL, 38-55 Winchester,.40 S&W, .444 Marlin, and .45-70 Government.


I think we have it pretty good...

Considering the only large game they have is white tails and pigs that is interesting they would not allow .22 cal.

I'm I reading this right that .270, 444, and 45-70 aren't kosher?

[buckfvr]

Based on what Ive witnessed over the 45+ years Ive been hunting as an adult,  I can honestly say I believe 3/4 of the hunters out there are common morons.  Now let them use .223 and Im sure the number of morons will surpass 3/4.   And that goes for 3/4s of the guys who hunt 121 whether they're from here or elsewhere.......if they're not littering and stealing, they're trespassing, driving around locked gates, all of the above........yep, common morons.   

[Bango skank]

Based on what Ive witnessed over the 45+ years Ive been hunting as an adult,  I can honestly say I believe 3/4 of the hunters out there are common morons.  Now let them use .223 and Im sure the number of morons will surpass 3/4.   And that goes for 3/4s of the guys who hunt 121 whether they're from here or elsewhere.......if they're not littering and stealing, they're trespassing, driving around locked gates, all of the above........yep, common morons.   

   tell these guys .223 is legal and theyll all be roading around dumping 30rd mags at running animals from 300 yards.  Guaranteed

[jay.sharkbait]

Based on what Ive witnessed over the 45+ years Ive been hunting as an adult,  I can honestly say I believe 3/4 of the hunters out there are common morons.  Now let them use .223 and Im sure the number of morons will surpass 3/4.   And that goes for 3/4s of the guys who hunt 121 whether they're from here or elsewhere.......if they're not littering and stealing, they're trespassing, driving around locked gates, all of the above........yep, common morons.   

   tell these guys .223 is legal and theyll all be roading around dumping 30rd mags at running animals from 300 yards.  Guaranteed

Spare me.