Change the 24 caliber min in washington(added poll please vote)

[bobcat]

They wouldn't need to specify what type of bullets would be legal. They don't now, why would that be necessary if the law was changed from 243 to 223 being the minimum legal caliber? I'd be fine with that change, but only for deer. It's a great caliber for kids, whether it's a 223 Remington, 22/250, 224 Weatherby, or 223 WSSM.

I have a 223 WSSM that would be perfect for my kids to hunt deer with. I've used it in Wyoming on both deer and antelope. A 65 grain bullet at 3,400 feet per second works very well.

[MtnMuley]

Pretty happy here with the law we have regarding legal calibers on big game. 

[JJB11B]

I don't fully understand why you can't shoot coyotes in till deer season is over.U can shoot coyotes with any caliber.Bear might not be that great,they are kinda tough,and run a little farther.

because my deer tags are either Archery or Muzzle Loader. Which means I cannot carry a legal deer caliber rifle to coyote hunt during deer season. Its in the rule book

[MtnMuley]

They wouldn't need to specify what type of bullets would be legal. They don't now, why would that be necessary if the law was changed from 243 to 223 being the minimum legal caliber? I'd be fine with that change, but only for deer. It's a great caliber for kids, whether it's a 223 Remington, 22/250, 240 Weatherby, or 223 WSSM.

I have a 223 WSSM that would be perfect for my kids to hunt deer with. I've used it in Wyoming on both deer and antelope. A 165 grain bullet at 3,400 feet per second works very well.

I would support the use of a .224 firing a 165 at 3,400 fps any day. Problem is, we both know there would be no regulation on grain bullet and fps/ft lbs-sec. Can you imagine a "legal" hunter firing 55 fmj during a modern season? LOL

[bobcat]

I suppose they could make it a 65 grain minimum. Or 60 grain, I think that's the way it is in Wyoming.

[Bob33]

I suppose they could make it a 65 grain minimum. Or 60 grain, I think that's the way it is in Wyoming.

(b) For the taking of antelope, deer, mountain lion, or gray wolf where designated as a trophy game
animal, a hunter shall use:
(i) Any center-fire firearm of at least .22 caliber (excluding .22 Hornet) and having a bullet
weight of at least sixty (60) grains and firing a cartridge of at least two (2) inches in overall length, or any other cartridge of at least .35 caliber and at least one and one-half (1.5) inches in overall length, and using an expanding point bullet;

[hunter399]

I don't fully understand why you can't shoot coyotes in till deer season is over.U can shoot coyotes with any caliber.Bear might not be that great,they are kinda tough,and run a little farther.

because my deer tags are either Archery or Muzzle Loader. Which means I cannot carry a legal deer caliber rifle to coyote hunt during deer season. Its in the rule book

I didn't know bow and muzzy hunters carry that caliber with them a lot .I thought with bow u can only carry firearm for personal protection.not sure on muzzy rules

[Bill W]

Why don't we give every dog in the parade a ribbon?  Geez why change the rule just because you want to shoot a .223.  Sell that gun, buy a .243 and be legal.

I guess I'm happy with the rule as it stands.

[hunter399]

I suppose they could make it a 65 grain minimum. Or 60 grain, I think that's the way it is in Wyoming.

(b) For the taking of antelope, deer, mountain lion, or gray wolf where designated as a trophy game
animal, a hunter shall use:
(i) Any center-fire firearm of at least .22 caliber (excluding .22 Hornet) and having a bullet
weight of at least sixty (60) grains and firing a cartridge of at least two (2) inches in overall length, or any other cartridge of at least .35 caliber and at least one and one-half (1.5) inches in overall length, and using an expanding point bullet;

I wish our regs where that,expanding bullet sounds a lot better than softpoints

[hunter399]

Why don't we give every dog in the parade a ribbon?  Geez why change the rule just because you want to shoot a .223.  Sell that gun, buy a .243 and be legal.

I guess I'm happy with the rule as it stands.

I already have two 243 ,i guess I just like the smaller caliber,what I want is 223 case necked up to take a 243 bullet,but they haven't came out with it that I know it,then u have best of both worlds ,i don't think I'm the only one that would use 223 ,if u like it the way it is I respect , and I will follow the regs.

[MtnMuley]

Why don't we give every dog in the parade a ribbon?  Geez why change the rule just because you want to shoot a .223.  Sell that gun, buy a .243 and be legal.

I guess I'm happy with the rule as it stands.

I already have two 243 ,i guess I just like the smaller caliber,what I want is 223 case necked up to take a 243 bullet,but they haven't came out with it that I know it,then u have best of both worlds

Not questioning negatively, but why would you want to see a .223 case necked up to a .243? What is that advantage that already isn't available?

[JJB11B]

Why don't we give every dog in the parade a ribbon?  Geez why change the rule just because you want to shoot a .223.  Sell that gun, buy a .243 and be legal.

I guess I'm happy with the rule as it stands.

I already have two 243 ,i guess I just like the smaller caliber,what I want is 223 case necked up to take a 243 bullet,but they haven't came out with it that I know it,then u have best of both worlds ,i don't think I'm the only one that would use 223 ,if u like it the way it is I respect , and I will follow the regs.

25x45 sharps it came out this year I think

[hunter399]

I have been looking into that caliber a lot lately there's a waiting list kinda,you pay for the barrel and wait 4week ,8week,12week,ect.they say there 4 to 8 weeks out.then you only get the choice of 87 grain bullet which is ok , and sharps rifle company gets all my money .cause nobody else sells ,ammo ,reloading,but might be my next option.243 has a lot of bullet option,55-100 grain bullet,but not in ar15,i just thought changing the law would benefit everybody,I guess there would not be enough support or mixed feelings

[Bill W]

Why don't we give every dog in the parade a ribbon?  Geez why change the rule just because you want to shoot a .223.  Sell that gun, buy a .243 and be legal.

I guess I'm happy with the rule as it stands.

I already have two 243 ,i guess I just like the smaller caliber,what I want is 223 case necked up to take a 243 bullet,but they haven't came out with it that I know it,then u have best of both worlds ,i don't think I'm the only one that would use 223 ,if u like it the way it is I respect , and I will follow the regs.

It's a 6x45mm and while it's not a factory cartridge, has been a wildcat for years.

[Blacktail Sniper]

If anybody eles feels the same way as I do, email Scott bird,at Rules.Coordinator@dfw.wa.gov .Tell him we want 223 with softpoints for deer and bear and your reasons.I'm sure it won't do anything.But what the heck.My reasons we're ,youth,all the states around us allow it,it defends our country,and we allow handgun with a lot less velocity.I already sent mine.

If you are really serious about trying to make a change, it will take a lot more effort than you might think, but if you are willing, by all means give it a shot.

In your list of reasons above, it would help if you expanded your reasoning for each point you cited.

Take time and write to the other game agencies from the states that allow it and see if you can get any positive or negative feedback from them on its use, like numbers of hunters using it, sucess rates, etc.  Maybe you won't get any responses, but if you do and they are favorible, they should be added into your justification for your position.

Notice I also said write letters, a letter is pretty rare in this day of emails and instant messaging, so that will get some attention because you took the time and effort to write and mail it.

Collect and present some accurate data from the ammo manufactures of pistol hunting calibers, like bullet weights, velocity, energy at various distances, etc and do the same with .223 ammo with apprioate style bullets.  Give then hard data that supports your position that can easily be verified.

With all the negative press and percieved fears of the AR platform, you are going to want to tread lightly on that subject, for instance, one way may be to cite ballistices from say Remington on their ammo from a 22" or 24" barreled Model 700 or other similar bolt action brand rifle(s). 

Avoid mention at all of AR's or even semi-automatics. Last thing you want is somebody picturing Rambo with a 90 round drum in his "Assault Rifle" out in the woods spraying and praying rounds at Bambi!!!

As you can see, not everyone is going to be in agreement, but if you can provide clear, unemotional facts and figures, supported by good research and cite credible sources, you may be successful.

Good luck, hope this helps.




Just an after thought incase some take exception with my comments about avoiding mention of AR's...remember that you are trying to sell the cartridge, not the delivery system!