Change the 24 caliber min in washington(added poll please vote)

[Bango skank]

if they opened it up to .22 center fire for deer do you know what would happen???!!! 

Yeah not much. A few would use their AR15s for brush hunting blacktail and whitetail and a few kids would get to shoot .22-250s at does in fields. Not the end of the world.

People would use their judgment, the same way most don't use a 6mm ppc for moose and grizzly.

You know why we have game laws?  Cause" people would use their judgement" doesnt work.  You seem to have a much higher opinion of people than i do i guess.

[BULLBLASTER]

Can anyone explain to me the difference in killing ability of a .22 55 grain bullet versus a .24 55 grain bullet?

[Bill W]

Shoot, we have .17 and 20 calibers now.  Why not legalize those.  Also I read a while ago where someone was playing with a .14 caliber wildcat, legalize those too.

Why do we want to give a ribbon to every dog in the parade?   Dogs don't have feelings and don't care if they get ribbons.   .243 caliber should be the minimum for responsible deer hunting.  Key word "responsible".

Back when the 17's came out a guy shot a polar bear with a .17.  He had to hit the bear in the ear hole to kill it.   Based on that shouldn't 17's be legalized for bears?

[Karl Blanchard]

Well we aren't talking about .17's.  We are talking about calibers that are already legal in many states and are very effective at taking game. 

[BULLBLASTER]

Shoot, we have .17 and 20 calibers now.  Why not legalize those.  Also I read a while ago where someone was playing with a .14 caliber wildcat, legalize those too.

Why do we want to give a ribbon to every dog in the parade?   Dogs don't have feelings and don't care if they get ribbons.   .243 caliber should be the minimum for responsible deer hunting.  Key word "responsible".

Back when the 17's came out a guy shot a polar bear with a .17.  He had to hit the bear in the ear hole to kill it.   Based on that shouldn't 17's be legalized for bears?

How is a 223 with a 60 grain partition at 3000 fps any less responsible than a 243 with a 55 grain ballistic tip?

[bobcat]

This is a legal firearm for deer, bear, and elk:




But a 223 caliber rifle can't even be used for deer? It seems to me a change in the law might be a good thing.

I agree in general the 243 is a good minimum. But for me the deal is I already own a really nice Browning A bolt in 223 WSSM. It's light and compact and would be the perfect rifle for my daughters to hunt with for their first deer. I'd probably not let them shoot further than about 150 yards anyway.

It kills deer and antelope in Wyoming just fine so I see no reason why it wouldn't kill the just as dead in this state.

[BULLBLASTER]

 

Well we aren't talking about .17's.  We are talking about calibers that are already legal in many states and are very effective at taking game.

[Bill W]

Shoot, we have .17 and 20 calibers now.  Why not legalize those.  Also I read a while ago where someone was playing with a .14 caliber wildcat, legalize those too.

Why do we want to give a ribbon to every dog in the parade?   Dogs don't have feelings and don't care if they get ribbons.   .243 caliber should be the minimum for responsible deer hunting.  Key word "responsible".

Back when the 17's came out a guy shot a polar bear with a .17.  He had to hit the bear in the ear hole to kill it.   Based on that shouldn't 17's be legalized for bears?

How is a 223 with a 60 grain partition at 3000 fps any less responsible than a 243 with a 55 grain ballistic tip?

Well, the rule used to require an 85 grain or heavier bullet.   Do you want wardens to carry a small scale in the field to verify everyone's bullets.

[BULLBLASTER]

Shoot, we have .17 and 20 calibers now.  Why not legalize those.  Also I read a while ago where someone was playing with a .14 caliber wildcat, legalize those too.

Why do we want to give a ribbon to every dog in the parade?   Dogs don't have feelings and don't care if they get ribbons.   .243 caliber should be the minimum for responsible deer hunting.  Key word "responsible".

Back when the 17's came out a guy shot a polar bear with a .17.  He had to hit the bear in the ear hole to kill it.   Based on that shouldn't 17's be legalized for bears?

How is a 223 with a 60 grain partition at 3000 fps any less responsible than a 243 with a 55 grain ballistic tip?

Well, the rule used to require an 85 grain or heavier bullet.   Do you want wardens to carry a small scale in the field to verify everyone's bullets.

they do that for archery...

Your response didnt answer my question...

[Bill W]

One more thing to chew on for the small bullet crowd.  I've shot about 40 deer in my hunting career and noted that not every one falls over dead in their tracks.  A fair number require tracking.  One needs a good blood trail or a lot of familiarity with tracks and being able to recognize precisely which track they should be following.

A .22 isn't going to give a blood trail worth a tinkers' damn and isn't fit for deer hunting.  Not everyone is an exceptional shot for placing bullets, nor are they a good, or above average shooter.   Let's not waste deer.   Some people can't or won't learn how to trail animals.

[Bill W]

Shoot, we have .17 and 20 calibers now.  Why not legalize those.  Also I read a while ago where someone was playing with a .14 caliber wildcat, legalize those too.

Why do we want to give a ribbon to every dog in the parade?   Dogs don't have feelings and don't care if they get ribbons.   .243 caliber should be the minimum for responsible deer hunting.  Key word "responsible".

Back when the 17's came out a guy shot a polar bear with a .17.  He had to hit the bear in the ear hole to kill it.   Based on that shouldn't 17's be legalized for bears?

That's because I'm not going to.  You know yourself that a 55 grain .243 bullet would only explode on the ribs. If you don't know that you are just trying to make people answer your questions or stir the pot.
How is a 223 with a 60 grain partition at 3000 fps any less responsible than a 243 with a 55 grain ballistic tip?

Well, the rule used to require an 85 grain or heavier bullet.   Do you want wardens to carry a small scale in the field to verify everyone's bullets.

they do that for archery...

Your response didnt answer my question...

[Curly]

More nanny state bs from one of the biggest nanny states in the union. People should be able to choose what will work for them. Take a look at that list of requirements in other states....why is WA so special that hunters here can't figure out an appropriate rifle for deer hunting? 

[Bango skank]

Can anyone explain to me the difference in killing ability of a .22 55 grain bullet versus a .24 55 grain bullet?

You know damn good and well that the size of the bullet itself isnt the only thing that comes into play.  Do i need to explain the difference in killing ability between a 180 grain bullet in my .357, and a 180 grain bullet in my .300 win mag?  No?  Yes?

[BULLBLASTER]

Can anyone explain to me the difference in killing ability of a .22 55 grain bullet versus a .24 55 grain bullet?

You know damn good and well that the size of the bullet itself isnt the only thing that comes into play.  Do i need to explain the difference in killing ability between a 180 grain bullet in my .357, and a 180 grain bullet in my .300 win mag?  No?  Yes?

60 grain partition at 3000 from a 223 or 55 grain ballistic tip from a 243... tell me which one you would prefer for hunting deer.
I'm guessing it is going to be he illegal one. Same choice I would make.
Now I'm not saying that a 223 is better for deer hunting than a 243 but to say it isn't capable is bull...
I do realize there are bad deer bullet choices in the 223... but the same can be said for 243 and 308 etc also.

[JDHasty]

Lots of currently legal deer cartridges can be shot from an AR15 platform rifle. I disagree with the need for any change to the current law. It's just asking for more wounded and not recovered animals.

I am on the same page.