Change the 24 caliber min in washington(added poll please vote)

[Bob33]

Please don't flame me on this but i heard years ago that the reason these restrictions even came into play was because of the poachers.Didn't make sense when i heard it then and don't make any sense now.Anyone got stats on what the weapon of choice is for poachers?

I would think it would be .22 rimfire.

That would be my guess. Cheap, low noise and lethal at close range.

[Oh Mah]

yes .22 rim fire,when i was told this many years ago i was also told the reasoning was if .22 was allowed poachers could shoot deer and nothing of the bullet could be used to determine what weapon was used to shoot it.no way to trace a .22 rim fire bullet (after) it entered a deer.

[hunter399]

Ya you can't fix stupid
Wdfw always says how there under funded,but things like this rule can bring in more hunters,in state , and out of state.young ,old,woman,ect.I really don't think where much different than the other states around us.I guess we will keep living the California laws.

The type of people it would bring you probably wouldn't want out in the woods.   I wonder about the wisdom of the people that are angling for it.  It's dumb and ill advised.  It would lead to a lot of wounded and/or unrecovered animals.  So why would a reasonable and knowledgable hunter want that?

I guess there must be a lot of wounded/unrecovered animals in idaho,Montana,oregon,i just seem to hear a lot hunters in those states ever talking about it

[JimmyHoffa]

Maybe we should look into allowing .410s for big game.  .410 slugs put down a lot of deer over the years, basically shoot just like a rifle.  And there's hardly any recoil unlike the other shotguns, so women and kids could use them.  And why does WDFW allow 12 ga for elk, but not 20 ga?  A 20 ga with the jacketed sabots or plated buckshot would work fine. 
Now to really get me griping, the dang turkey restrictions.  In other states I could use a rifle (including .22 LR) for turkey.  .223s are great turkey guns, but WDFW doesn't allow them.  You can shoot a bird at 200 yds with them easily.  The big benefits being you don't have to deal with shotgun recoil.

[bobcat]

No doubt at all the 20 gauge should be allowed for elk.

[JLS]

Ya you can't fix stupid
Wdfw always says how there under funded,but things like this rule can bring in more hunters,in state , and out of state.young ,old,woman,ect.I really don't think where much different than the other states around us.I guess we will keep living the California laws.

The type of people it would bring you probably wouldn't want out in the woods.   I wonder about the wisdom of the people that are angling for it.  It's dumb and ill advised.  It would lead to a lot of wounded and/or unrecovered animals.  So why would a reasonable and knowledgable hunter want that?

These are completely unfounded statements.  I guess I'm dumb and ill advised.  Reasonable and knowledgeable means being willing to open your mind to things outside of your norm.  Anyone that thinks a .22 centerfire is incapable of killing big game animals cleanly and humanely is obviously not willing to open their mind.

[JLS]

yes .22 rim fire,when i was told this many years ago i was also told the reasoning was if .22 was allowed poachers could shoot deer and nothing of the bullet could be used to determine what weapon was used to shoot it.no way to trace a .22 rim fire bullet (after) it entered a deer.

Urban legend at its finest.

[dscubame]

A bunch of entitled brats around here in Washington.   In my day, if you wanted to cut your teeth hunting you picked up a 30/30 Winchester with a steel butt plate.  You anchored that baby well into your shoulder or you paid the price.   If your arms werent long enough to shoot one of those, you were probably too small to be able to hunt. 

 

No kidding.  All this complaining sounds like a school yard full of children that were just told the trip to the waterpark has been cancelled.

[bobcat]

It's no different than the "complaining" that occurred when people wanted lighted nocks legal for archery. And now they're legal.

And copper jacketed bullets legal for muzzleloader hunting. And now they're legal.

If there's no good reason for something to be illegal, then people have a right to complain. That's how these things eventually get changed.

The 223 wasn't legal for big game in Wyoming a few years ago. Now it is. These dumb laws CAN be changed.

[dscubame]

It's no different than the "complaining" that occurred when people wanted lighted nocks legal for archery. And now they're legal.

And copper jacketed bullets legal for muzzleloader hunting. And now they're legal.

If there's no good reason for something to be illegal, then people have a right to complain. That's how these things eventually get changed.

The 223 wasn't legal for big game in Wyoming a few years ago. Now it is. These dumb laws CAN be changed.

I tell my kids too if everyone is jumping off that 100 foot bridge it does not make it right for you to follow them.

Saying that complaining and whining is an affective way to induce change is ludicrous.

[Bill W]

Ya you can't fix stupid
Wdfw always says how there under funded,but things like this rule can bring in more hunters,in state , and out of state.young ,old,woman,ect.I really don't think where much different than the other states around us.I guess we will keep living the California laws.

The type of people it would bring you probably wouldn't want out in the woods.   I wonder about the wisdom of the people that are angling for it.  It's dumb and ill advised.  It would lead to a lot of wounded and/or unrecovered animals.  So why would a reasonable and knowledgable hunter want that?

These are completely unfounded statements.  I guess I'm dumb and ill advised.  Reasonable and knowledgeable means being willing to open your mind to things outside of your norm.  Anyone that thinks a .22 centerfire is incapable of killing big game animals cleanly and humanely is obviously not willing to open their mind.

If'n you want to be a bonehead..... then be a bonehead.  Buck the trend and do things the hard way.  You may learn things on the way to "enlightenment".

[bobcat]

It's no different than the "complaining" that occurred when people wanted lighted nocks legal for archery. And now they're legal.

And copper jacketed bullets legal for muzzleloader hunting. And now they're legal.

If there's no good reason for something to be illegal, then people have a right to complain. That's how these things eventually get changed.

The 223 wasn't legal for big game in Wyoming a few years ago. Now it is. These dumb laws CAN be changed.

I tell my kids too if everyone is jumping off that 100 foot bridge it does not make it right for you to follow them.

Saying that complaining and whining is an affective way to induce change is ludicrous.

Well first, I don't see any of this as "complaining." It's a discussion.

How would you go about getting dumb laws changed? Would you not discuss the issue with your peers?

[dscubame]

Ya you can't fix stupid
Wdfw always says how there under funded,but things like this rule can bring in more hunters,in state , and out of state.young ,old,woman,ect.I really don't think where much different than the other states around us.I guess we will keep living the California laws.

The type of people it would bring you probably wouldn't want out in the woods.   I wonder about the wisdom of the people that are angling for it.  It's dumb and ill advised.  It would lead to a lot of wounded and/or unrecovered animals.  So why would a reasonable and knowledgable hunter want that?

These are completely unfounded statements.  I guess I'm dumb and ill advised.  Reasonable and knowledgeable means being willing to open your mind to things outside of your norm.  Anyone that thinks a .22 centerfire is incapable of killing big game animals cleanly and humanely is obviously not willing to open their mind.

If'n you want to be a bonehead..... then be a bonehead.  Buck the trend and do things the hard way.  You may learn things on the way to "enlightenment".

The pole indicates I am in the majority here and I do not engage in internet tough guy conversations.  I would bet if you were sitting across from me face to face you would not chime in like you did.  Bob33 and I have history, I do not know you from around these parts.  Move on...

[Lefthook]

I find it hard to believe the .24 caliber minimum law was designed to outlaw .22 rimfires. Wouldn't it be simple to just outlaw .22 rimfire for deer if that were the case? Poaching is illegal regardless of caliber, that's why it's called poaching. Using a .243 would be just as illegal as a .22 rimfire while poaching.

Maybe this thread has strayed way off it's origins and a new "22 rimfire is poachers favorite" thread should be fired up.

[dscubame]

It's no different than the "complaining" that occurred when people wanted lighted nocks legal for archery. And now they're legal.

And copper jacketed bullets legal for muzzleloader hunting. And now they're legal.

If there's no good reason for something to be illegal, then people have a right to complain. That's how these things eventually get changed.

The 223 wasn't legal for big game in Wyoming a few years ago. Now it is. These dumb laws CAN be changed.

I tell my kids too if everyone is jumping off that 100 foot bridge it does not make it right for you to follow them.

Saying that complaining and whining is an affective way to induce change is ludicrous.

Well first, I don't see any of this as "complaining." It's a discussion.

How would you go about getting dumb laws changed? Wound you not discuss the issue with your peers?

I would for sure Bobcat, simply pointing out all the complaining.  So now are we going to argue about complaining?