Taking over the world

[boneaddict]

Another nice two point.  Some of you think they are taking over the world.   This ones perfectly legal, but apparently not worth anyones bullet, or just smarter than you are.   

[jjhunter]

I'd pound that buck in a heartbeat in WA. 

[whacker1]

 

I'd pound that buck in a heartbeat in WA.

[fishnfur]

Gorgeous buck.... I love big forkies!  Great shot Bone!

[jstone]

yep I would stick a carbon express in him

[wsmnut]

He's a beaut!

[White Pass Outfitters]

I would let him grow for a couple years before taking him. Can't shoot wall hangers if you take the little ones. Great picture though .Watched this Black tail grow up for a couple years before I took him and yes a true black tail west of  I-5

[C-Money]

Looks mature to me...but that really does not factor in with my family. We are more of a legal buck kind of group. Very nice photo Bone.

[bearpaw]

Great Photo! I think he looks mature enough that he should have more points, hopefully someone will shoot him next season and get him out of the gene pool! 

[h20hunter]

All day long, kaboom.

[7mmfan]

I'd shoot that buck just about anywhere I was hunting. Huge 2's are pretty cool in my opinion.

[DOUBLELUNG]

Looks tasty to me, and my wife doesn't want any more shoulder mounts.

[jackelope]

I would let him grow for a couple years before taking him. Can't shoot wall hangers if you take the little ones. Great picture though .Watched this Black tail grow up for a couple years before I took him and yes a true black tail west of  I-5

That buck is not getting any bigger.  He'll live out his life as a giant 2 point I'd wager.
 

[Timberstalker]

I would let him grow for a couple years before taking him. Can't shoot wall hangers if you take the little ones. Great picture though .Watched this Black tail grow up for a couple years before I took him and yes a true black tail west of  I-5

That buck is not getting any bigger.  He'll live out his life as a giant 2 point I'd wager.

Exactly.

[jackelope]

I would let him grow for a couple years before taking him. Can't shoot wall hangers if you take the little ones. Great picture though .Watched this Black tail grow up for a couple years before I took him and yes a true black tail west of  I-5

That buck is not getting any bigger.  He'll live out his life as a giant 2 point I'd wager.

Exactly.

All the more reason someone should cull him and get rid of those crummy genetics.

[White Pass Outfitters]

I guess I just won't give up my tag on a two point, so have at it guys shoot up all them two pointers with eye guards. And I will stick to putting my tag on the bigger bucks. I would pass him up on the morning of the last day of my hunt. You can't shoot a 4 point if you settle for 2 pointers. First buck or 2nd tag buck sure.
Just my opinion. Great picture !   

[bobcat]

Why is it considered to be bad genetics? Is it detrimental to the buck, only having two points, or is it only that it doesn't live up to our expectations for a "trophy" buck?

[frazierw]

Why is it considered to be bad genetics? Is it detrimental to the buck, only having two points, or is it only that it doesn't live up to our expectations for a "trophy" buck?

My guess would be the latter.

[JDHasty]

I would let him grow for a couple years before taking him. Can't shoot wall hangers if you take the little ones. Great picture though .Watched this Black tail grow up for a couple years before I took him and yes a true black tail west of  I-5

That buck is not getting any bigger.  He'll live out his life as a giant 2 point I'd wager.

That is more likely than not fact that that buck is not going to grow any more points than it has in the photo.  I have seen some great two point blacktails in the last few years, and would have taken any of them if I could have right-time, right-placed them.  Never could catch them where I had access when I had the tag and the season was open.   

[jackelope]

Why is it considered to be bad genetics? Is it detrimental to the buck, only having two points, or is it only that it doesn't live up to our expectations for a "trophy" buck?

My guess would be the latter.

Sub-par in the quality antler department. At least that's what the hunting world has determined to be low quality genetics.

[grundy53]

I personally think a giant two point is more interesting and unique than a decent 4 point.

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[JDHasty]

I personally think a giant two point is more interesting and unique than a decent 4 point.

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I am on that page

[Timberstalker]

He's a stud, even if he won't grow anymore points. 

[Rainier10]

I personally think a giant two point is more interesting and unique than a decent 4 point.

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No way do I pass that deer up during late archery. I shoot what is a trophy to me and that guy definitely fits the bill.

[NRA4LIFE]

He will die if I see him.  I once held off for 4 days looking for a particularly odd 2-point in MT that I had seen the day before the season opened.  I passed on many bucks too.  The mass on this buck was amazing.  Never did see him again.

[WAcoueshunter]

Always have been mature two points, some of which regressed from four points.  An old, mature two point with eye guards (to make it legal) is near the top of the list for me.  Have always thought they were really cool.

[OutHouse]

I would let him grow for a couple years before taking him. Can't shoot wall hangers if you take the little ones. Great picture though .Watched this Black tail grow up for a couple years before I took him and yes a true black tail west of  I-5

That buck is not getting any bigger.  He'll live out his life as a giant 2 point I'd wager.

Just curious why do you think he won't get any bigger? Is there something in the photo that tells you that?

[Hoythunter]

I would let him grow for a couple years before taking him. Can't shoot wall hangers if you take the little ones. Great picture though .Watched this Black tail grow up for a couple years before I took him and yes a true black tail west of  I-5

That buck is not getting any bigger.  He'll live out his life as a giant 2 point I'd wager.

Just curious why do you think he won't get any bigger? Is there something in the photo that tells you that?

That buck is mature age-wise, he's not your typical 2.5 yr 2 point.  Although I don't hunt the Palouse / breaks of the snake river anymore, that country is loaded with 2pt breeder bucks.  They'll never develop forks, they are and always will be 2 pointers with an occasional eye guard or sticker.  The two pointers became the prodminant buck once the 3 PT or better restrictions were implemented a couple decades back. 

[rtspring]

I would not reccomend anyone to shoot two points

But I would blast him in a heartbeat!

[cbond3318]

Total herd domination! Nice pic.

[jstone]

One Carbon Express into the Boiler Room... Game Set Match...

[highmuley]

We have 2, big 2 points in town here. Technically 3 points with an eye guard or the slightest of sticker on one side. Both are surely on regress. Mangy old fellas. Fun to watch "pretend" to spar. The woman and I have a running joke about them and their arthritis.

[hawgwild]

I wouldn't think twice on that guy.  Big two points are pretty cool.

[Magnum_Willys]

Great "Last Day" Buck 

[jackelope]

I would let him grow for a couple years before taking him. Can't shoot wall hangers if you take the little ones. Great picture though .Watched this Black tail grow up for a couple years before I took him and yes a true black tail west of  I-5

That buck is not getting any bigger.  He'll live out his life as a giant 2 point I'd wager.

Just curious why do you think he won't get any bigger? Is there something in the photo that tells you that?

That buck is mature age-wise, he's not your typical 2.5 yr 2 point.  Although I don't hunt the Palouse / breaks of the snake river anymore, that country is loaded with 2pt breeder bucks.  They'll never develop forks, they are and always will be 2 pointers with an occasional eye guard or sticker.  The two pointers became the prodminant buck once the 3 PT or better restrictions were implemented a couple decades back. 

What he said. That's a mature buck. He might get a little bigger, but he's not going to magically become a big 4x4. He'll be a big 2 point forever I believe.

[JDHasty]

I would let him grow for a couple years before taking him. Can't shoot wall hangers if you take the little ones. Great picture though .Watched this Black tail grow up for a couple years before I took him and yes a true black tail west of  I-5

That buck is not getting any bigger.  He'll live out his life as a giant 2 point I'd wager.

Just curious why do you think he won't get any bigger? Is there something in the photo that tells you that?

That buck is mature age-wise, he's not your typical 2.5 yr 2 point.  Although I don't hunt the Palouse / breaks of the snake river anymore, that country is loaded with 2pt breeder bucks.  They'll never develop forks, they are and always will be 2 pointers with an occasional eye guard or sticker.  The two pointers became the prodminant buck once the 3 PT or better restrictions were implemented a couple decades back. 

What he said. That's a mature buck. He might get a little bigger, but he's not going to magically become a big 4x4. He'll be a big 2 point forever I believe.

That is how it usually works.  By two and a half you can get a sense of what they are going to be, by three and a half they will have the general configuration, but lack length & mass and then as they age they gain mass and length and then when they get old they lose mass and length.   about   

[OutHouse]

Thanks for the replies guys. Does anyone know if the same can be said about whitetails i.e. that a whitetail's 2.5 year old antler frame won't change a whole lot years down the line?

[emac]

Thanks for the replies guys. Does anyone know if the same can be said about whitetails i.e. that a whitetail's 2.5 year old antler frame won't change a whole lot years down the line?

I don't know how often it happens with whitetail but I know it can. We watched a 2x2 with eyeguards for 4 years. He never grew any bigger he added mass and width but never any more points before my little brother shot him

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[chinookie23]

Just because it is a big 2 point does not mean he will only make 2points. Good genetics for antler growth means good genetics period. he will make offspring with the same genetics not just 2 points........

[JDHasty]

Just because it is a big 2 point does not mean he will only make 2points. Good genetics for antler growth means good genetics period. he will make offspring with the same genetics not just 2 points........

Well... kind of.  Offspring get half of their genes from the doe and half from the buck.  And it matters whether the trait is poly genetic or not and it matters if there are both dominant and recessive genes associated with it.  It's been decades since I studied genetics and it is not child's play to understand even traits that are governed by the most simple of combinations.  You get into more complex traits and it is very difficult for an expert to even explain it in simplistic terms to a layman. 

[jackelope]

Just because it is a big 2 point does not mean he will only make 2points. Good genetics for antler growth means good genetics period. he will make offspring with the same genetics not just 2 points........

Well... kind of.  Offspring get half of their genes from the doe and half from the buck.  And it matters whether the trait is poly genetic or not and it matters if there are both dominant and recessive genes associated with it.  It's been decades since I studied genetics and it is not child's play to understand even traits that are governed by the most simple of combinations.  You get into more complex traits and it is very difficult for an expert to even explain it in simplistic terms to a layman. 

What genetics are behind the buck. What genetics are behind the doe...and even if you do explain it all and have everything right, sometimes it still turns out a 4x buck and sometimes it turns out a lifer 2 point.
 

[GrampasGuns]

There's a forkie who hangs out near me that I would shoot with a quality tag. He's insane. Tallest 2 point I've ever seen without a stitch of an eye guard

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[boneaddict]

THis is probably his father or grandfather.   I was literally standing the last place I saw him when I filmed the topic buck above....  ten years later.   There has been a big two in this bowl or square mile area almost every year since I first started shed hunting and looking for bucks.   Lots of other nice bucks too, but always a big two.


 

[Pinetar]

I have seen and killed way more 4 points in my life then big old 2 points with eye guards like that.

Sooooo...... KABOOM if I cross paths with him

I missed it Bone,  where was this buck?