22 cal for deer

[hunter399]

I put this in the last post on 22 for deer,all you that keep voting for it to stay the same as it is ,would like to see 380,9mm,45,carbine out in the woods,these guns are the younger generation ,don't want mag limits, but talk about spray, run n gun hunting,can't see past the ar15 to see any benefit to change.

[konradcountry]

I put this in the last post on 22 for deer,all you that keep voting for it to stay the same as it is ,would like to see 380,9mm,45,carbine out in the woods,these guns are the younger generation ,don't want mag limits, but talk about spray, run n gun hunting,can't see past the ar15 to see any benefit to change.

And what makes you think we are all fine with 4" 380s in general?

Just because some of us voted no does not mean we fully agree with the existing rules.

223 and the AR15 are overlapping issues. You would probably get more support if you proposed bolt only 223 and exclusively for deer, not elk. A poll on the 380 issue might be interesting as well. 

[chuckster]

Why has this became a ar topic ar' s are already legal in many calibers, and always have been. If you want to hunt with a ar you already can. Am asking about using 22 cal for deer. I have a ar but I also have a bolt .223 that shoots .5 inch groups. By the way 22 cal is not just. 223, there is also many others such as 22-250, 220 swift and so forth. Our bullets have came a long way since the 24 cal min was put in place a good barrns or 62 grain trophy bonded tip is a lot better then the old cup and core of 30 years ago.

[chuckster]

223 trophy bonded tip

[hunter399]

I put this in the last post on 22 for deer,all you that keep voting for it to stay the same as it is ,would like to see 380,9mm,45,carbine out in the woods,these guns are the younger generation ,don't want mag limits, but talk about spray, run n gun hunting,can't see past the ar15 to see any benefit to change.

And what makes you think we are all fine with 4" 380s in general?

Just because some of us voted no does not mean we fully agree with the existing rules.

223 and the AR15 are overlapping issues. You would probably get more support if you proposed bolt only 223 and exclusively for deer, not elk. A poll on the 380 issue might be interesting as well. 

The way I see it majority of you on the poll would rather have people out in the woods with there 380 over 223.Even though 223 is a proven deer caliber in other states.

[hunter399]

223 trophy bonded tip

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/federal-fusion-223-rem-jacketed-soft-point-62-grain-3000-fps-20-round-box-f223fs1-029465060381.do?sortby=ourPicks&refType=&from=Search
A lot better bullets than years ago.

[chuckster]

If good 22 cal bullets are not enough for deer, we really need to ban bow hunting. As we all know a arrow does not carry much energy and the deer always run, and many deer are lost every year but we are ok with that.

[Dan-o]

223 trophy bonded tip

I'd hunt deer with this, if it was all I had.....   But I would want more juice.

How far would you take shots?   

[chuckster]

Under 100 yards, were I hunt 99 percent of the deer I have shot have been under 50 yards. It's thick in the ne corner.

[hunter399]

 

[Dan-o]

Under 100 yards, were I hunt 99 percent of the deer I have shot have been under 50 yards. It's thick in the ne corner.

Thanks.

that makes sense.

Where I hunt, you can see for miles.   

[Redbeard]

Many hunters have lost respect for the game they hunt. It's not the gun or the ammo size but its the caliber of the hunter. Morals in society have completely bottomed out. I hear hunters more concerned about a successful hunt than their ethics in hunting. If the caliber can ethically kill well I say use it, but people will stretch the limits of the firearm for personal gain. Which is wrong.  That's why I'm against the AR in .22 caliber for hunting. I say man up and use a 24 cal minimum or quit hunting until you can. We bow hunters must draw 40lbs or we legally cant hunt. So get the ability to handle the mighty .24 cal or don't hunt. My daughter was handling shotguns in her teenage years so why cant some men handle the .24? grow a pair or stay at the campsite until you do.

[MadMooner]

22 center fires kill big game just fine. Lots of great .224 bullets for big game hunting.

Some one earlier brought up why not 17 or .204. The answer is bullets.

[JimmyHoffa]

One problem with some of those new bullets is that to get the higher weights that perform better on bigger animals, the bullets are increased in length.  The twist can only keep the groups tight (placement being key) for certain ranges of weight.  I'd hope anyone using these would know, and not just grab a box of 75 gr ammo for a .22 cal and throw it into slow twist, do a bore sight/quick off hand zero and off they go.  For me, I'd probably have to leave the .22-250 1:14 in favor of the .223 1:7, if wanted to use a heavy enough bullet for bigger animal.

[hunter399]

Many hunters have lost respect for the game they hunt. It's not the gun or the ammo size but its the caliber of the hunter. Morals in society have completely bottomed out. I hear hunters more concerned about a successful hunt than their ethics in hunting. If the caliber can ethically kill well I say use it, but people will stretch the limits of the firearm for personal gain. Which is wrong.  That's why I'm against the AR in .22 caliber for hunting. I say man up and use a 24 cal minimum or quit hunting until you can. We bow hunters must draw 40lbs or we legally cant hunt. So get the ability to handle the mighty .24 cal or don't hunt. My daughter was handling shotguns in her teenage years so why cant some men handle the .24? grow a pair or stay at the campsite until you do.

I don't think anybody has a problem with the recoil on 24 caliber,hunted 20 year with the set I got so think I'm good there.guns are just tools,sometimes it not how big your tool is its how you use it.