22 cal for deer

[JJB11B]

you can't ethically do that, I know because someone on the internet said so

[Smoke]

you shouldn't be allowed to use an AR type rifle to deer hunt. they aren't powerful enough to ethically kill a deer.

 What difference does the rifle style make?

all the difference

rifle design has no bearing what so ever on the effectiveness of caliber to do it's job...  an AR chambered in 308 will take moose... lot tuffer then deer...

[JJB11B]

you shouldn't be allowed to use an AR type rifle to deer hunt. they aren't powerful enough to ethically kill a deer.

 What difference does the rifle style make?

all the difference

rifle design has no bearing what so ever on the effectiveness of caliber to do it's job...  an AR chambered in 308 will take moose... lot tuffer then deer...

its not ethical. We learned it in the "internet ethics police class" when I went through then ethics police academy

[jay.sharkbait]

you shouldn't be allowed to use an AR type rifle to deer hunt. they aren't powerful enough to ethically kill a deer.

 What difference does the rifle style make?

all the difference

rifle design has no bearing what so ever on the effectiveness of caliber to do it's job...  an AR chambered in 308 will take moose... lot tuffer then deer...

its not ethical. We learned it in the "internet ethics police class" when I went through then ethics police academy

Or the, "I'm more ethical than you competition" Sponsored by Huntwa.

[BULLBLASTER]

you shouldn't be allowed to use an AR type rifle to deer hunt. they aren't powerful enough to ethically kill a deer.

 What difference does the rifle style make?

all the difference

rifle design has no bearing what so ever on the effectiveness of caliber to do it's job...  an AR chambered in 308 will take moose... lot tuffer then deer...

its not ethical. We learned it in the "internet ethics police class" when I went through then ethics police academy

Or the, "I'm more ethical than you competition" Sponsored by Huntwa.

And besides that ar rifles are too scary looking to have hunters using. How will anyone know they are a hunter and not a bad guy out with a evil assault rifle! 

 

[hunter399]

223 caliber can and will kill deer.There are a lot of YouTube videos.Fish and wildlife dept. In other states are just a lot smarter then ours.

just as long as it's not fired from an AR-15

This way of thinking will hurt our gun rights some day,making 223 a sporting caliber ,might help your gun rights some day , but nobody thinks about the big picture.
http://www.progressivestoday.com/2016-washington-state-bill-ban-almost-modern-firearms/
This will ban any gun that holds more than ten rounds,22,handguns,rifles with thumbhole stocks,lots of guns that are not ar15.

[Bob33]

223 caliber can and will kill deer.There are a lot of YouTube videos.Fish and wildlife dept. In other states are just a lot smarter then ours.

just as long as it's not fired from an AR-15

This way of thinking will hurt our gun rights some day,making 223 a sporting caliber ,might help your gun rights some day , but nobody thinks about the big picture.
http://www.progressivestoday.com/2016-washington-state-bill-ban-almost-modern-firearms/
This will ban any gun that holds more than ten rounds,22,handguns,rifles with thumbhole stocks,lots of guns that are not ar15.

I’m not sure I follow the logic. If .22 caliber “assault rifles” were to become legal for “ruthlessly slaughtering innocent Bambi-like creatures” how would they become less of a target for anti-gunners?

[jay.sharkbait]

223 caliber can and will kill deer.There are a lot of YouTube videos.Fish and wildlife dept. In other states are just a lot smarter then ours.

just as long as it's not fired from an AR-15

This way of thinking will hurt our gun rights some day,making 223 a sporting caliber ,might help your gun rights some day , but nobody thinks about the big picture.
http://www.progressivestoday.com/2016-washington-state-bill-ban-almost-modern-firearms/
This will ban any gun that holds more than ten rounds,22,handguns,rifles with thumbhole stocks,lots of guns that are not ar15.

I’m not sure I follow the logic. If .22 caliber “assault rifles” were to become legal for “ruthlessly slaughtering innocent Bambi-like creatures” how would they become less of a target for anti-gunners?

Because they are legitimate sporting rifles and if more people see them or what they are they might be able to see through the drama.

[Bob33]

223 caliber can and will kill deer.There are a lot of YouTube videos.Fish and wildlife dept. In other states are just a lot smarter then ours.

just as long as it's not fired from an AR-15

This way of thinking will hurt our gun rights some day,making 223 a sporting caliber ,might help your gun rights some day , but nobody thinks about the big picture.
http://www.progressivestoday.com/2016-washington-state-bill-ban-almost-modern-firearms/
This will ban any gun that holds more than ten rounds,22,handguns,rifles with thumbhole stocks,lots of guns that are not ar15.

I’m not sure I follow the logic. If .22 caliber “assault rifles” were to become legal for “ruthlessly slaughtering innocent Bambi-like creatures” how would they become less of a target for anti-gunners?

Because they are legitimate sporting rifles and if more people see them or what they are they might be able to see through the drama.

That's possible, although I'm not sure how many anti-gunners would see it that way. Perhaps the undecideds would.

[JimmyHoffa]

you shouldn't be allowed to use an AR type rifle to deer hunt. they aren't powerful enough to ethically kill a deer.

 What difference does the rifle style make?

all the difference

rifle design has no bearing what so ever on the effectiveness of caliber to do it's job...  an AR chambered in 308 will take moose... lot tuffer then deer...

I would actually argue that to a degree.  The argument set forth by those wanting to use small caliber rifles is that "it's all about shot placement".  Much of that argument is true.  But not all rifle designs or rifles within a solid proven design are the same.  Some rifles (lever guns come to mind) have external hammers that take longer to strike after trigger pull or have separated stocks with a foregrip/magazine that attach and alter barrel harmonics.  ARs have spent a lot of time proving to be accurate enough, but one kind of wonders how much better it could be if the firing pin was spring driven like a bolt gun vs having to strike the pin with a rotating hammer.

[hunter399]

I'm not sure on this , but hammer on a ar was made that way with full auto in mind,that way when the bolt flys forward it would release the hammer right behind it in full auto.Maybe a spring on the fireing pin , might cause slam fires ,i don't really know.
But same caliber,same length barrel,and ammo,same distance of target ,your gonna get the same result.

[JimmyHoffa]

Right, it has a specific design to meet what was needed.  But it trades off a little of X to get a little better of Y.  I'm was just stating that rifle design has some effect on accuracy.  And when one of the main arguments for using small cal rifles is accuracy, then doesn't rifle design come into some kind of consideration?  A .22-250 of one model that is .3 MOA vs another model that is 1.3 MOA is a little different of argument than the .375 that is .3 MOA and a different one that is 3 MOA.

[Squidward]

Right, it has a specific design to meet what was needed.  But it trades off a little of X to get a little better of Y.  I'm was just stating that rifle design has some effect on accuracy.  And when one of the main arguments for using small cal rifles is accuracy, then doesn't rifle design come into some kind of consideration?  A .22-250 of one model that is .3 MOA vs another model that is 1.3 MOA is a little different of argument than the .375 that is .3 MOA and a different one that is 3 MOA.

same argument can be made about any caliber at that point, because it's all shot placement, it don't matter the cal if you hit a hoof. should the FWL tell you what rifle brand and model you can & can't use in your bolt rifle because the MOA is different than the next rifle?

[jay.sharkbait]

Right, it has a specific design to meet what was needed.  But it trades off a little of X to get a little better of Y.  I'm was just stating that rifle design has some effect on accuracy.  And when one of the main arguments for using small cal rifles is accuracy, then doesn't rifle design come into some kind of consideration?  A .22-250 of one model that is .3 MOA vs another model that is 1.3 MOA is a little different of argument than the .375 that is .3 MOA and a different one that is 3 MOA.

It is much easier for the average person to accurize a AR than a bolt rifle.

All of the AR15 rifles I've built are deep sub MOA rifles.

Ok, ok there was one mutt but even that one I'd hunt with.

[hunter399]

I understand what your saying,20 pound triggers,worn out barrels,jamming hunk of junks,not all guns preform the same.But just like now it is up to the hunter to make a good quick killing shot ,with the gun they choose.If a hunter can make a good shot with a bad gun ,they must be a sniper with a good gun