22 cal for deer

[Firedogg]

Already been done in another message thread on here. About 75% said leave it as is

[chuckster]

Times are changing fast though. And although 75 percent said no before, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. I bet it's the 25  percent that has been emailing wdfw to change it.

[BOWHUNTER45]

I like to duh use my truk to rund thems over, the tag dont cost me know moneys 

I dont see the point in it i like the 24 cal or bigger 

haha ! That's funny ! People are now buying brush guards for their trucks now ! New way of hunting ! This just kills me how they make up laws !

[Matth]

I am an avid bow hunter, and have taken a lot of game with a well placed arrow. That being said i understand the points being made about the abilities of the fast 22 cals on deer sized animals. For me, when i do go out with a rifle i am never going to hunt deer with anything less than a 243, and i am never going to hunt elk with anything smaller than one of my 30 cals, and would prefer my 340. Do i think you need these rounds to harvest deer and elk sized animals absolutely not, but i am not an expert sharp shooter, and as i have already seen stated, in the hunting world confidence in the weapon that you enter the woods with is everything. Soooo if you are confident in your abilities with a fast 22 and it is legal hammer down.

As a side note i think the poachers of this state would get a kick out of this thread as they probably kill more deer with slow 22's every year than we do with our long guns.

[chuckster]

My main thing for it is for youth hunters. I did not hunt till I was ten. However my older boy is way smarter then me and could make it though at like six or seven. I would only let him shoot a broadside shot at like 30 yards, with that I guess I could get him a 357 rifle.

[konradcountry]

The concern I have is the guy that buys the $500 Dick's special AR-15 as his "all rounder" and then sprays a deer 300 yards away with a volley of shots.

There are already too many jack-asses in the woods. I would vote to keep the 223 out of general for this reason. We also don't need anymore negative news stories about the AR.

[JimmyHoffa]

The concern I have is the guy that buys the $500 Dick's special AR-15 as his "all rounder" and then sprays a deer 300 yards away with a volley of shots.

There are already too many jack-asses in the woods. I would vote to keep the 223 out of general for this reason. We also don't need anymore negative news stories about the AR.

With the low price of .223 ammo and able to buy in bulk, I'd imagine that the target practice while hunting would go up.  I guess a pro to that is more verification of zero and familiarization.  A con would be having to hear all the extra shooting

[hunter399]

35 percent said they want change , now if wdfw lost 35 percent in sales for the year I bet they would change it sometimes majority is not everthing,this does not account for our of state sales they lose now cause of it.watch YouTube 9 out 10 video is youth,and everybody loves talking about it .

[konradcountry]

35 percent said they want change , now if wdfw lost 35 percent in sales for the year I bet they would change it sometimes majority is not everthing,this does not account for our of state sales they lose now cause of it.watch YouTube 9 out 10 video is youth,and everybody loves talking about it .

Anyone that can afford the out of state tag probably has a dozen rifles.

But I could see allowing the 223 for deer in exchange for banning semi-autos, with the exception of shotguns. I think you would have to propose a compromise that makes the rules more sporting if you really wanted it changed.

But my first question would be why bother with the effort when you can get a .243 at Wally World for $250? I would rather them revisit muzzleloader rules that ban the more common rifles that are produced for other states.

[JimmyHoffa]

I don't think it's a caliber restriction that is keeping out of state hunters from pouring into Washington.  Lots of folks from Washington don't even hunt their home state anymore.  Some of the guys I know are phasing out of this state for ID/MT....they seem to get nice bucks and bulls within a couple days of the opener each year (rifle season) and are allowed to run ATVs.

[JDHasty]

The concern I have is the guy that buys the $500 Dick's special AR-15 as his "all rounder" and then sprays a deer 300 yards away with a volley of shots.

There are already too many jack-asses in the woods. I would vote to keep the 223 out of general for this reason. We also don't need anymore negative news stories about the AR.

That is a very real and valid concern. 

[pianoman9701]

The concern I have is the guy that buys the $500 Dick's special AR-15 as his "all rounder" and then sprays a deer 300 yards away with a volley of shots.

There are already too many jack-asses in the woods. I would vote to keep the 223 out of general for this reason. We also don't need anymore negative news stories about the AR.

That is a very real and valid concern.

Really? Show me a single hunting incident in WA related to an AR and someone "spraying a deer at 300 yards with a volley of shots".  Because people have been hunting here with ARs for years.

You guys need to quit reading the NYT Editorial pages. It's a gun, no matter how black it is. I can't even believe this was posted AND acknowledged as a "valid concern". No wonder we keep losing ground in the gun rights arena.

[hunter399]

The concern I have is the guy that buys the $500 Dick's special AR-15 as his "all rounder" and then sprays a deer 300 yards away with a volley of shots.

There are already too many jack-asses in the woods. I would vote to keep the 223 out of general for this reason. We also don't need anymore negative news stories about the AR.

That is a very real and valid concern. 

your valid concern is already reality,some people act like nobody's hunting with ar15 already,but reality most people that are into ar15 are hunting with one that's above 24 caliber and will continue to do so as long as it's legal.

[hunter399]

And any kind of ban on guns will lead to no guns at all ,so making 223 a sporting caliber does help your gun rights,let's say someone starts plinking people with a rem 700 do you think there not gonna try to ban it too.

[predatorpro]

Legal for cougar....pretty sure they are alittle tougher but what do i know!