22 cal for deer

[JJB11B]

I would bet there are just as many Jack-Asses as there are AR's. Jack-Asses and semi-auto's are a very bad mix. Too bad we can't just ban the Jack-Asses that are ruining it for everyone.

seen a lot of *censored* stuff done with all manner of weaponry

[pianoman9701]

The concern I have is the guy that buys the $500 Dick's special AR-15 as his "all rounder" and then sprays a deer 300 yards away with a volley of shots.

There are already too many jack-asses in the woods. I would vote to keep the 223 out of general for this reason. We also don't need anymore negative news stories about the AR.

That is a very real and valid concern.

Really? Show me a single hunting incident in WA related to an AR and someone "spraying a deer at 300 yards with a volley of shots".  Because people have been hunting here with ARs for years.

You guys need to quit reading the NYT Editorial pages. It's a gun, no matter how black it is. I can't even believe this was posted AND acknowledged as a "valid concern". No wonder we keep losing ground in the gun rights arena.

I have provided documentation wherein spraying big game with a volley of shots from an AR15 was actively being advocated for and discussed online as a legitimate big game hunting method. 

I did not find that particular discussion in the NYT Editorial pages, I found it being discussed a little closer to home.

Each time I post the documentation that people's concern that the mentality that that practice is a legitimate hunting method, actually does exist... it is removed.

There is a vastly overwhelming majority of people who use semi-auto rifles, shotguns, and pistols for hunting everyday who aren't "spraying" their shots at wild game. Yes, there are hosers out there who do things which suck. But, there are extremely few. However, you never, never, ever take away the rights of the people based on the actions of a few. This is the justification for gun grabbers use to push the laws they seek to disarm the law-abiding populace. It's wrong there and it's wrong here.

[hunter399]

The concern I have is the guy that buys the $500 Dick's special AR-15 as his "all rounder" and then sprays a deer 300 yards away with a volley of shots.

There are already too many jack-asses in the woods. I would vote to keep the 223 out of general for this reason. We also don't need anymore negative news stories about the AR.

That is a very real and valid concern.

Really? Show me a single hunting incident in WA related to an AR and someone "spraying a deer at 300 yards with a volley of shots".  Because people have been hunting here with ARs for years.

You guys need to quit reading the NYT Editorial pages. It's a gun, no matter how black it is. I can't even believe this was posted AND acknowledged as a "valid concern". No wonder we keep losing ground in the gun rights arena.

AR-10s and ARs in 6x are legal but they are for the most part out the price range of the jack-ass community and under their radar.

I don't read the New York Times editorials. I base my opinion on my own experiences and that of others.

I know someone who was nearly killed during general firearm by someone bush shooting. Where I target shoot is basically a warzone opening weekend. I had 10 trucks pass my spot in less than 30 minutes during the second weekend this year.

No I do not want $500 ARs in general. I would ban semis in general with the exception of shotguns.

Certain areas of Western Washington are overhunted and overran with jack-asses. I don't know the answer but I do not want to throw $500 ARs in the mix.

And I own an AR-15.

so a 120 dollor 300 blk out barrel is out of most ar15 owners price range,just because you own a ar doesn't mean you know a lot about them, let me guess that you use a semi auto shotgun since you support them so much,so we should lose our guns but not you.

[JJB11B]

The concern I have is the guy that buys the $500 Dick's special AR-15 as his "all rounder" and then sprays a deer 300 yards away with a volley of shots.

There are already too many jack-asses in the woods. I would vote to keep the 223 out of general for this reason. We also don't need anymore negative news stories about the AR.

That is a very real and valid concern.

Really? Show me a single hunting incident in WA related to an AR and someone "spraying a deer at 300 yards with a volley of shots".  Because people have been hunting here with ARs for years.

You guys need to quit reading the NYT Editorial pages. It's a gun, no matter how black it is. I can't even believe this was posted AND acknowledged as a "valid concern". No wonder we keep losing ground in the gun rights arena.

AR-10s and ARs in 6x are legal but they are for the most part out the price range of the jack-ass community and under their radar.

I don't read the New York Times editorials. I base my opinion on my own experiences and that of others.

I know someone who was nearly killed during general firearm by someone bush shooting. Where I target shoot is basically a warzone opening weekend. I had 10 trucks pass my spot in less than 30 minutes during the second weekend this year.

No I do not want $500 ARs in general. I would ban semis in general with the exception of shotguns.

Certain areas of Western Washington are overhunted and overran with jack-asses. I don't know the answer but I do not want to throw $500 ARs in the mix.

And I own an AR-15.

so a 120 dollor 300 blk out barrel is out of most ar15 owners price range,just because you own a ar doesn't mean you know a lot about them,

I know a lot of rich morons. In fact most of the morons I know are rich. they do whatever they want cuz they're rich. Bullwinkle comes to mind

[hunter399]

Here's a link for anybody that wants to turn there ar15 into a hunting rifle I was wrong 89.99 will buy a new barrel.
https://www.midwayusa.com/s?userSearchQuery=300+blackout+barrel&uac=true

[JJB11B]

Here's a link for anybody that wants to turn there ar15 into a hunting rifle I was wrong 89.99 will buy a new barrel.
https://www.midwayusa.com/s?userSearchQuery=300+blackout+barrel&uac=true

that is so unethical!

[Mongo Hunter]

Ok first off you can use an AR for hunting as long as its a big enough caliber. so for those of you talking about people "spraying bullets" have no idea what you are talking about. they are already being used and I don't see hunters throwing lead all over the place with them.

Second a 5.56/.223 will kill a deer just fine. I don't like the government telling me whats ethical. you let me decide and if people want to be jerks and make unethical shots they have that right. I don't agree with it but normally those people don't hunt for very long because they normally loose all their hunting buddies.

Third use some logic. Its unethical and dangerous for someone to take a shot with a .223 from an AR, but its ethical and safe for someone to use a .50BMG? because that's how the law is now. I cant use a .223 but I can bust out the Barrett .50 to shoot bambi. or a Glock 9mm as long as it has a long enough barrel.

let people use what they want. quit wasting the fish cops time with gun restrictions and let them catch the people shooting animals out of season or on land that's restricted. that does more damage to the animal population than the caliber I use. just my 2 cents.

[JDHasty]

Here's a link for anybody that wants to turn there ar15 into a hunting rifle I was wrong 89.99 will buy a new barrel.
https://www.midwayusa.com/s?userSearchQuery=300+blackout+barrel&uac=true

A barrel for an AR is not an interchangeable barrel like would be a barrel for a Contender and my inclination is that you more likely than not know that. 

The concern that was expressed is this: "The concern I have is the guy that buys the $500 Dick's special AR-15 as his "all rounder" and then sprays a deer 300 yards away with a volley of shots."

That is the same concern that I have.  I did not just come up with that all on my own.  Anyone who has the time and inclination can locate threads on AR enthusiast websites in which the value of having five to 30 rounds available and ready to be unleashed downrange is discussed.  In these threads magazine dumping, spraying, double tapping , triple tapping , quadruple tapping, and believe it or not, quintuple tapping or whatever euphemism you wish to apply to directing volley fire in the direction of big game have active apologists who are ready and willing to weigh in and discuss the fine points of.

I have never seen a discussion in which there was anything even remotely close to this type of behavior would even be tolerated, much less batted around and discussed, except when the topic revolved around the use of the AR15 based platform for hunting.  If you have any familiarity with... let's say lever action enthusiasts entertaining this topic, I encourage you to post a link to those discussions.   

[jackelope]

I have a bolt action .223 that holds 5 rounds, would that be better?

[pianoman9701]

Here's a link for anybody that wants to turn there ar15 into a hunting rifle I was wrong 89.99 will buy a new barrel.
https://www.midwayusa.com/s?userSearchQuery=300+blackout+barrel&uac=true

A barrel for an AR is not an interchangeable barrel like would be a barrel for a Contender and my inclination is that you more likely than not know that. 

The concern that was expressed is this: "The concern I have is the guy that buys the $500 Dick's special AR-15 as his "all rounder" and then sprays a deer 300 yards away with a volley of shots."

That is the same concern that I have.  I did not just come up with that all on my own.  Anyone who has the time and inclination can locate threads on AR enthusiast websites in which the value of having five to 30 rounds available and ready to be unleashed downrange is discussed.  In these threads magazine dumping, spraying, double tapping , triple tapping , quadruple tapping, and believe it or not, quintuple tapping or whatever euphemism you wish to apply to directing volley fire in the direction of big game have active apologists who are ready and willing to weigh in and discuss the fine points of.

I have never seen a discussion in which there was anything even remotely close to this type of behavior would even be tolerated, much less batted around and discussed, except when the topic revolved around the use of the AR15 based platform for hunting.  If you have any familiarity with... let's say lever action enthusiasts entertaining this topic, I encourage you to post a link to those discussions.

Show me. I've never seen anything like this discussed as acceptable on this forum. I may have missed it. Regardless, one person saying they'd be OK with it isn't a valid reason to eliminate semi-autos from hunting, which is what was proposed. That's ridiculous.

[BULLBLASTER]

Here's a link for anybody that wants to turn there ar15 into a hunting rifle I was wrong 89.99 will buy a new barrel.
https://www.midwayusa.com/s?userSearchQuery=300+blackout+barrel&uac=true

A barrel for an AR is not an interchangeable barrel like would be a barrel for a Contender and my inclination is that you more likely than not know that. 

The concern that was expressed is this: "The concern I have is the guy that buys the $500 Dick's special AR-15 as his "all rounder" and then sprays a deer 300 yards away with a volley of shots."

That is the same concern that I have.  I did not just come up with that all on my own.  Anyone who has the time and inclination can locate threads on AR enthusiast websites in which the value of having five to 30 rounds available and ready to be unleashed downrange is discussed.  In these threads magazine dumping, spraying, double tapping , triple tapping , quadruple tapping, and believe it or not, quintuple tapping or whatever euphemism you wish to apply to directing volley fire in the direction of big game have active apologists who are ready and willing to weigh in and discuss the fine points of.

I have never seen a discussion in which there was anything even remotely close to this type of behavior would even be tolerated, much less batted around and discussed, except when the topic revolved around the use of the AR15 based platform for hunting.  If you have any familiarity with... let's say lever action enthusiasts entertaining this topic, I encourage you to post a link to those discussions.

Show me. I've never seen anything like this discussed as acceptable on this forum. I may have missed it. Regardless, one person saying they'd be OK with it isn't a valid reason to eliminate semi-autos from hunting, which is what was proposed. That's ridiculous.

I'm surprised you haven't seen it p man... hasty feels a compulsive need to post his quoted thread in every thread on huntwa... luckily for the rest of us it is usually removed fairly fast. 

[Bob33]

There is a big difference between taking multiple shots at an animal still alive to ensure it is killed quickly, and "spray and pray." I suspect more than one animal has been lost to the "one shot one kill" advocates that should have been shot multiple times.

[BULLBLASTER]

There is a big difference between taking multiple shots at an animal still alive to ensure it is killed quickly, and "spray and pray." I suspect more than one animal has been lost to the "one shot one kill" advocates that should have been shot multiple times.

100% agreed. If an animal has been hit once and I am able to get another shot into it I will each and every time until it is dead.

[Jonathan_S]

There is a big difference between taking multiple shots at an animal still alive to ensure it is killed quickly, and "spray and pray." I suspect more than one animal has been lost to the "one shot one kill" advocates that should have been shot multiple times.

  I had a situation this year where if I didn't keep sending Bergers afield, I'd have lost my ID buck

[pianoman9701]

I'm done with this. You've apparently got one incident that you've been using to justify gun bans. Sorry, but you're not going to convince me that we need to penalize all hunters for the acts of one or two. Let's move on.