22 cal for deer

[Ridgeratt]

There is a big difference between taking multiple shots at an animal still alive to ensure it is killed quickly, and "spray and pray." I suspect more than one animal has been lost to the "one shot one kill" advocates that should have been shot multiple times.

  I had a situation this year where if I didn't keep sending Bergers afield, I'd have lost my ID buck

Extended yardage?

[Mongo Hunter]

I'm done with this. You've apparently got one incident that you've been using to justify gun bans. Sorry, but you're not going to convince me that we need to penalize all hunters for the acts of one or two. Let's move on.

 

Lets also not forget there are guys out there using .300 win mags that think they are Chris Kyle trying to shoot deer a 600+ yards and wounding animals to never be found.

If your a unethical jerk it doesn't matter what weapon you use.

[JDHasty]

I have a bolt action .223 that holds 5 rounds, would that be better?

I have never seen or overheard any discussions wherein racking the bolt and pulling the trigger as fast as you can get off five shots with a bolt action rifle has ever been discussed as a legitimate strategy for big game hunting.  I have never seen any serious discussion of that methodology being advocated by lever action aficionados.  What I have seen is quite a few serious discussions wherein volley fire was being discussed and the pro magazine dumping side had people lining up to defend it as a legitimate way to use an AR15 for bringing down big game.  My concern is that if the only thing standing between hordes of people with a "$500 AR from Dicks" and quintuple tapping deer at 300 yards is that those hordes cannot today legally use their "$500 AR from Dicks" for legally hunting deer.   

[Mongo Hunter]

I have a bolt action .223 that holds 5 rounds, would that be better?

I have never seen or overheard any discussions wherein racking the bolt and pulling the trigger as fast as you can get off five shots with a bolt action rifle has ever been discussed as a legitimate strategy for big game hunting.  I have never seen any serious discussion of that methodology being advocated by lever action aficionados.  What I have seen is quite a few serious discussions wherein volley fire was being discussed and the pro magazine dumping side had people lining up to defend it as a legitimate way to use an AR15 for bringing down big game.  My concern is that if the only thing standing between hordes of people with a "$500 AR from Dicks" and quintuple tapping deer at 300 yards is that those hordes cannot today legally use their "$500 AR from Dicks" for legally hunting deer.   

Seriously? how about a $300 semi auto shotgun using 3" shells of buck shot. 3 rounds "triple tapping" would give you 45 pellets flying through the air. that's cheap and legal but you have no problem with that? or the old semi auto hunting rifles in .308 or 30-06 that typically go for less than $500?

AND the AR platform has become more popular and advanced in the last decade yet hunting accidents are on the decline.

your logic is flawed, go home your drunk 

[Jonathan_S]

There is a big difference between taking multiple shots at an animal still alive to ensure it is killed quickly, and "spray and pray." I suspect more than one animal has been lost to the "one shot one kill" advocates that should have been shot multiple times.

  I had a situation this year where if I didn't keep sending Bergers afield, I'd have lost my ID buck

Extended yardage?

Hit high at 300. Follow up shots at 475

[jackelope]

I'm done with this. You've apparently got one incident that you've been using to justify gun bans. Sorry, but you're not going to convince me that we need to penalize all hunters for the acts of one or two. Let's move on.

 

Lets also not forget there are guys out there using .300 win mags that think they are Chris Kyle trying to shoot deer a 600+ yards and wounding animals to never be found.

If your a unethical jerk it doesn't matter what weapon you use.

There's this, which should be considered a major factor in this discussion. Anyone can fire multiple rounds at excessive range(or not at excessive range) at big game animals irresponsibly. They don't have to be using AR's, expensive or cheap. Hell I can throw 3 rounds downrange out of my single shot/no lever/no bolt/no pump/no magazine TC Encore pretty darn quick. Doesn't mean I'm going to.
The debate over whether or not someone should be able to hunt with a .22 caliber centerfire rifle should absolutely not be centered around the use of AR rifles if you ask me. The focus should be on the killing power, the energy the bullet has at range, etc. Those sort of things are the things that should be debated and not a specific type rifle that some people like and some people don't like.
 

[JJB11B]

You know, as long as they only Ban AR-15's and still let me use my Mini 14 I'd be happy.

[JDHasty]

I'm done with this. You've apparently got one incident that you've been using to justify gun bans. Sorry, but you're not going to convince me that we need to penalize all hunters for the acts of one or two. Let's move on.

Nobody has suggested banning anything.  The question is:  Do you think the law should be amended to include 224 as minimum caliber for deer?  I am not in favor of that change and I have given you the reason that I am not in favor of changing the law. 

[jackelope]

You know, as long as they only Ban AR-15's and still let me use my Mini 14 I'd be happy.

Sweet baby Jesus. Does it have a wood stock? If so, it's alright with me.

[jackelope]

I'm done with this. You've apparently got one incident that you've been using to justify gun bans. Sorry, but you're not going to convince me that we need to penalize all hunters for the acts of one or two. Let's move on.

Nobody has suggested banning anything.  The question is:  Do you think the law should be amended to include 2244 as minimum caliber for deer?  I am not in favor of that change and I have given you the reason that I am not in favor of changing the law. 

This guy did.

The concern I have is the guy that buys the $500 Dick's special AR-15 as his "all rounder" and then sprays a deer 300 yards away with a volley of shots.

There are already too many jack-asses in the woods. I would vote to keep the 223 out of general for this reason. We also don't need anymore negative news stories about the AR.

That is a very real and valid concern.

Really? Show me a single hunting incident in WA related to an AR and someone "spraying a deer at 300 yards with a volley of shots".  Because people have been hunting here with ARs for years.

You guys need to quit reading the NYT Editorial pages. It's a gun, no matter how black it is. I can't even believe this was posted AND acknowledged as a "valid concern". No wonder we keep losing ground in the gun rights arena.

AR-10s and ARs in 6x are legal but they are for the most part out the price range of the jack-ass community and under their radar.

I don't read the New York Times editorials. I base my opinion on my own experiences and that of others.

I know someone who was nearly killed during general firearm by someone bush shooting. Where I target shoot is basically a warzone opening weekend. I had 10 trucks pass my spot in less than 30 minutes during the second weekend this year.

No I do not want $500 ARs in general. I would ban semis in general with the exception of shotguns.

Certain areas of Western Washington are overhunted and overran with jack-asses. I don't know the answer but I do not want to throw $500 ARs in the mix.

And I own an AR-15.

[JJB11B]

You know, as long as they only Ban AR-15's and still let me use my Mini 14 I'd be happy.

Sweet baby Jesus. Does it have a wood stock? If so, it's alright with me.

lol

[Bob33]

Nobody has suggested banning anything. 

I would ban semis in general with the exception of shotguns.

[pianoman9701]

I'm done with this. You've apparently got one incident that you've been using to justify gun bans. Sorry, but you're not going to convince me that we need to penalize all hunters for the acts of one or two. Let's move on.

Nobody has suggested banning anything. The question is:  Do you think the law should be amended to include 2244 as minimum caliber for deer?  I am not in favor of that change and I have given you the reason that I am not in favor of changing the law.

Quote from konradcountry that you agreed with: "I would ban semis in general with the exception of shotguns. " So yes, both of you promoted banning semi-autos. Either you didn't read his post or your memory is affected.

[JJB11B]

I'm done with this. You've apparently got one incident that you've been using to justify gun bans. Sorry, but you're not going to convince me that we need to penalize all hunters for the acts of one or two. Let's move on.

Nobody has suggested banning anything. The question is:  Do you think the law should be amended to include 2244 as minimum caliber for deer?  I am not in favor of that change and I have given you the reason that I am not in favor of changing the law.

Quote from konradcountry that you agreed with: "I would ban semis in general with the exception of shotguns. " So yes, both of you promoted banning semi-autos. Either you didn't read his post or your memory is affected.

this argument is about caliber minimums, please start another thread if you want to discuss firearm restrictions.

[pianoman9701]

Sorry. I said I was done. Now I am.