22 cal for deer

[JJB11B]

Sorry. I said I was done. Now I am.

sorry Pman I was trying to be funny

[JDHasty]

I'm done with this. You've apparently got one incident that you've been using to justify gun bans. Sorry, but you're not going to convince me that we need to penalize all hunters for the acts of one or two. Let's move on.

Nobody has suggested banning anything. The question is:  Do you think the law should be amended to include 2244 as minimum caliber for deer?  I am not in favor of that change and I have given you the reason that I am not in favor of changing the law.

Quote from konradcountry that you agreed with: "I would ban semis in general with the exception of shotguns. " So yes, both of you promoted banning semi-autos. Either you didn't read his post or your memory is affected.

This thread and the other I commented on are about what the minimum caliber should be for deer and that is what I was commenting on. 

[pianoman9701]

Sorry. I said I was done. Now I am.

sorry Pman I was trying to be funny

No ire directed at you, 11B. 

[JJB11B]

I got pretty good at spray and pray with an 870, they should ban those too!

[JJB11B]

if it were legal to do so I would probably use my .22-250 for deer hunting

[Curly]

If it were legal, I probably would not use my .223 WSSM for deer hunting.........but I would like to have the option.  It's dropped several antelope in WY and my dad used my rifle to kill a big fat mulie in WY.  It sure is a nice rifle to carry because it weighs very little and recoil is nothing.

[JJB11B]

I shoot my .22-250 very well and I have developed some very effective loads that drill nice silver dollar sized holes through coyotes. 55 Gr bullet moving 3700FPS. I just got a new .22-250 with a tighter twist and was going to play with 62 gr and 69 gr loads now

[chuckster]

As said before I don't care about the ar thing, yes I have one. But I care about the recoil shy youth thing. For parents responsible enough to only allowed close broadside shots, using good bullets.

[hunter399]

Here's a link for anybody that wants to turn there ar15 into a hunting rifle I was wrong 89.99 will buy a new barrel.
https://www.midwayusa.com/s?userSearchQuery=300+blackout+barrel&uac=true

A barrel for an AR is not an interchangeable barrel like would be a barrel for a Contender and my inclination is that you more likely than not know that.

I can change a barrel on ar15 in about 10 min it is very project that can make a deer rifle quick and lots of YouTube on the how to,no it's not as quick contender , but that's all you need is a barrel , your bolt ,mags,all other parts interchange on 300 blk .

[Buzz2401]

I own 8 AR platform rifles and you couldn't pay me to hunt with one of them but that's just me.  I also own several 22 caliber bolt action rifles and they would be the last thing I would use to hunt with or give my small nephew to hunt big game with.  The recoil of a 243 is darn near non-existent.

[konradcountry]

You lost me with "...I would ban...". How does a gun owner even go there? Incredible.

I'm talking about banning them for general firearm hunting.

Do you have a problem with restrictions? Or do you think we should allow jack-asses to hunt elk with 10/22s? Because that is exactly what would happen if you ended the rules.

[konradcountry]

Ok first off you can use an AR for hunting as long as its a big enough caliber. so for those of you talking about people "spraying bullets" have no idea what you are talking about. they are already being used and I don't see hunters throwing lead all over the place with them.

And yet there are videos of people doing this in other states where AR-15s are legal for hunting:

Second a 5.56/.223 will kill a deer just fine. I don't like the government telling me whats ethical. you let me decide and if people want to be jerks and make unethical shots they have that right. I don't agree with it but normally those people don't hunt for very long because they normally loose all their hunting buddies.

Yea let's let people shoot elk with 22 LRs. Sounds like a great idea. Then some wounded elk is going to get on the news and PETA will write up some anti-hunting bill for the King county voters to pass.

[konradcountry]

I have a bolt action .223 that holds 5 rounds, would that be better?

I have never seen or overheard any discussions wherein racking the bolt and pulling the trigger as fast as you can get off five shots with a bolt action rifle has ever been discussed as a legitimate strategy for big game hunting.  I have never seen any serious discussion of that methodology being advocated by lever action aficionados.  What I have seen is quite a few serious discussions wherein volley fire was being discussed and the pro magazine dumping side had people lining up to defend it as a legitimate way to use an AR15 for bringing down big game.  My concern is that if the only thing standing between hordes of people with a "$500 AR from Dicks" and quintuple tapping deer at 300 yards is that those hordes cannot today legally use their "$500 AR from Dicks" for legally hunting deer.   

Seriously? how about a $300 semi auto shotgun using 3" shells of buck shot. 3 rounds "triple tapping" would give you 45 pellets flying through the air. that's cheap and legal but you have no problem with that? or the old semi auto hunting rifles in .308 or 30-06 that typically go for less than $500?

AND the AR platform has become more popular and advanced in the last decade yet hunting accidents are on the decline.

your logic is flawed, go home your drunk 

Hunting with a shotgun requires you to get close and buckshot loses energy fast past 50 yards. That's why numerous Eastern states only allow shotguns in certain areas with high population densities. The 223 bullet is deadly past 500 yards and the AR-15 is easy to shoot out of the box. 

There are areas near where I live that are overhunted and I would not want to add AR-15s in them during general. I do not want jack-asses showing up with their $500 AR-15 to hunt deer. Yes I would prefer them to show up with a $300 shotgun. Most of these guys are "road hunters" and would never get close enough with a shotgun. Half of them can barely walk.

Next time try asking for an explanation instead of jumping to insults.

[Mongo Hunter]

Ok first off you can use an AR for hunting as long as its a big enough caliber. so for those of you talking about people "spraying bullets" have no idea what you are talking about. they are already being used and I don't see hunters throwing lead all over the place with them.

And yet there are videos of people doing this in other states where AR-15s are legal for hunting:

Second a 5.56/.223 will kill a deer just fine. I don't like the government telling me whats ethical. you let me decide and if people want to be jerks and make unethical shots they have that right. I don't agree with it but normally those people don't hunt for very long because they normally loose all their hunting buddies.

Yea let's let people shoot elk with 22 LRs. Sounds like a great idea. Then some wounded elk is going to get on the news and PETA will write up some anti-hunting bill for the King county voters to pass.

So because of the actions of a few we should ban AR's from hunting? if we go down that slope NONE of us will be allowed to hunt anymore. How many of us know someone that has done something unethical during hunting season? Taken a bad shot? didn't know their equipment well enough? over estimated their own skill level? I guarantee everyone here knows or has heard of someone doing something stupid. And second that's a pig hunting video, not deer. People shoot those things from helicopters because they have become such a nuisance. Also they were shooting at an area where they could see their targets and what beyond it. not spraying bullets through the woods.

as for your second comment, people already use guns and tactics they probably shouldn't during hunting season. If someone is an unethical jerk they always will be. if someone used a .22LR for an elk for one they are an idiot and two they would probably use a subpar caliber anyways even with a restriction. but your going to the extreme to make a point that I frankly think would never happen. I don't see any hunter using a 22LR for an elk.

and PETA is already up our butts for being hunters.

[pianoman9701]

You lost me with "...I would ban...". How does a gun owner even go there? Incredible.

I'm talking about banning them for general firearm hunting.

Do you have a problem with restrictions? Or do you think we should allow jack-asses to hunt elk with 10/22s? Because that is exactly what would happen if you ended the rules.

Some restrictions are good. Some suck. That's not my problem here. My problem is with people who think their way is the only way and are fine with screwing everyone else who sees differently by pushing for more restrictions. Trad archery guys v. compound. Flintlock v. inline. Archery v. Modern - It's all infighting BS, it's hypocritical, and it creates divisions in our community when what we really need is more unity. Our government is fully capable of restricting us without your help or mine. I've got a novel idea. Why don't you legally hunt the way you want and I'll legally hunt the way I want and we can both support each other in our legal hunting efforts.