Remembering members we lost this year

[dscubame]

And I do wish BH would come back.

[huntandjeep]

And I do wish BH would come back.

. I always enjoyed Hammers gun pics  and his knowledge ( yeah he ruffled some feathers big deal ).  Same as Sharkbaits.
 On a Jeep forum I'm also on there is one guy that comes off rude , arrogant whatever you want to call it. He doesn't spoon feed you answers to questions you ask he tells you exactly why something sucks or won't work or was a waste of $. Yet you call him on the phone and he will spend hours helping you figure out what needs to be done .

[Karl Blanchard]

 I just wish the instigators would get similar punishment. They full well know what they are doing but they sneak around the rules just enough to not get in trouble. We need to call a spade a spade and slap them with a ban just the same. I can post a list of names if you'd like

[yorketransport]

 but for some reason the shooting section seems to collect members who cannot get the hint and continue to flaunt and push the rules until finally they're banned.

Ya, they could have been great ambassadors for long range shooting and did some real good for the sport, sharing knowledge, but instead choose to do otherwise which does no good for the sport and drives people (and money) away.  Expertise and knowledge shouldn't come with the price of being belittled or berated.

Part of this comes from the amount of mis-information that pops up in that section. There are so many discouraging half-truths stated in that section that it's genuinely frustrating at times. We all know that there are a handful of topics specific to shooting equipment and methods that seem to be a hot button on this forum. That's fine, but it's just as discouraging and can drive just as many people away when the ethics of fellow hunters are called into question based solely on their equipment choice. The most prevalent debates in that section and others stem from imposing one person's personal ethics (or limitations) on others. That's discouraging to new shooters and hunters.

Age wise I fall into no man's land being 35. It's hard to deny the changing demographic of the sport as younger shooters get interested. It's possible that this site is simply catering to a more traditional group of shooters. By doing that though, you're already choosing to discourage an up and coming class of shooters. Doing that does nothing to help boost add revenue.

The reality is that I've considered paying for add space on this site in the past and will certainly do so again in the future. The tone of this site sometimes discourages Jay.Sharkbait, BiggerHammer and myself from doing so though. There is no way to quantify the value of revenue either generated or lost based on individual members. Perhaps the potential revenue lost by the three of us not purchasing add space on this site will be off set by the more frequent use of those individuals driven away by the absence of former members. Again, hoping to gain future revenue based on decisions made today falls under the realm of risk analysis which isn't my forte. I just hope that it is the specialty of others on here making decisions.

I wasn't talking about HW site sponsor money, that didn't even cross my mind and the threat of withholding that piddly fee is laughable at best.  I was talking about money being driven away from small local businesses in the shooting industry, businesses that might want their products in your hands so you can spread the word how awesome it is.

Reffering to banner add sponsorship money as piddley sends a bad massage to those small local businesses who spend their limited advertising budget on add space here. Then in the next sentence you make reference to the money being driven away from the same business who's money you just belittled. This type of attitude presented by a forum moderator is what pushes the revenue elsewhere. Don't worry, I won't embarrass myself by giving my money to the forum. I'll make sure your sentiments are passed on to a handful of the other sponsors who're currently spending a piddly and laughable sum of money on add space here. 

It did occur to me that the same sort of behavior that will get an individual banned from HuntWa is the same behavior that will get you elected as president. It appears being brash, abrasive, verbally abusive, opinionated and crude uniquely qualifies somebody to lead the nation. Dare I say that we need a leader like that on HuntWa to make the site great again?
 
I should probably point out that the original nature of this entire post was as a tounge-in-cheek commentary more than anything. The business of running the forum isn't mine to worry about fortunately. I just come here because I get destructive if left at home alone for extended periods of time. 

[dscubame]

Is BH the only 2016 lifetime ban?  Should we be reflecting on any other?

[yorketransport]

If there are any others, let's look back on them as well. It's doubtful that there are any other personalities on here as polarizing as BH was though.   

[Russ McDonald]

If there are any others, let's look back on them as well. It's doubtful that there are any other personalities on here as polarizing as BH was though.   

Oh I can think of one maybe a couple more.

Sent from my super duper thingamajig

[JJB11B]

Is Steve.Miller coming back too?

[JJB11B]

I just wish the instigators would get similar punishment. They full well know what they are doing but they sneak around the rules just enough to not get in trouble. We need to call a spade a spade and slap them with a ban just the same. I can post a list of names if you'd like

steve.miller?

[KFhunter]

 but for some reason the shooting section seems to collect members who cannot get the hint and continue to flaunt and push the rules until finally they're banned.

Ya, they could have been great ambassadors for long range shooting and did some real good for the sport, sharing knowledge, but instead choose to do otherwise which does no good for the sport and drives people (and money) away.  Expertise and knowledge shouldn't come with the price of being belittled or berated.

Part of this comes from the amount of mis-information that pops up in that section. There are so many discouraging half-truths stated in that section that it's genuinely frustrating at times. We all know that there are a handful of topics specific to shooting equipment and methods that seem to be a hot button on this forum. That's fine, but it's just as discouraging and can drive just as many people away when the ethics of fellow hunters are called into question based solely on their equipment choice. The most prevalent debates in that section and others stem from imposing one person's personal ethics (or limitations) on others. That's discouraging to new shooters and hunters.

Age wise I fall into no man's land being 35. It's hard to deny the changing demographic of the sport as younger shooters get interested. It's possible that this site is simply catering to a more traditional group of shooters. By doing that though, you're already choosing to discourage an up and coming class of shooters. Doing that does nothing to help boost add revenue.

The reality is that I've considered paying for add space on this site in the past and will certainly do so again in the future. The tone of this site sometimes discourages Jay.Sharkbait, BiggerHammer and myself from doing so though. There is no way to quantify the value of revenue either generated or lost based on individual members. Perhaps the potential revenue lost by the three of us not purchasing add space on this site will be off set by the more frequent use of those individuals driven away by the absence of former members. Again, hoping to gain future revenue based on decisions made today falls under the realm of risk analysis which isn't my forte. I just hope that it is the specialty of others on here making decisions.

I wasn't talking about HW site sponsor money, that didn't even cross my mind and the threat of withholding that piddly fee is laughable at best.  I was talking about money being driven away from small local businesses in the shooting industry, businesses that might want their products in your hands so you can spread the word how awesome it is.

Reffering to banner add sponsorship money as piddley sends a bad massage to those small local businesses who spend their limited advertising budget on add space here. Then in the next sentence you make reference to the money being driven away from the same business who's money you just belittled. This type of attitude presented by a forum moderator is what pushes the revenue elsewhere. Don't worry, I won't embarrass myself by giving my money to the forum. I'll make sure your sentiments are passed on to a handful of the other sponsors who're currently spending a piddly and laughable sum of money on add space here. 

It did occur to me that the same sort of behavior that will get an individual banned from HuntWa is the same behavior that will get you elected as president. It appears being brash, abrasive, verbally abusive, opinionated and crude uniquely qualifies somebody to lead the nation. Dare I say that we need a leader like that on HuntWa to make the site great again?
 
I should probably point out that the original nature of this entire post was as a tounge-in-cheek commentary more than anything. The business of running the forum isn't mine to worry about fortunately. I just come here because I get destructive if left at home alone for extended periods of time. 

I wear the little banner "My opinion does not reflect the official opinion of HW" just for instances like these when I make a mistake.  It's not a perfect shield nor gives me carte' blanche to say what I want though.  Thank you for pointing that out by the way although it's a clever distraction from the true intent of the message and blown out of proportion like a clever debater would do.  My intent was not to make light of current and future sponsors I think you knew that.     I shouldn't have said "piddley".

Politics belong in OT, I just got done warning some folks who like to talk about politics to keep it there, especially after this last election cycle nerves are especially raw when it comes to politics. 

I didn't take this thread as "tongue and cheek" but rather a beat around the bush critique of the moderator team on HW.

[jackelope]

Is Steve.Miller coming back too?

He is no more....or is he......
He may or may not have reincarnated himself depending on who you ask. Possibly the direction of the wind may affect that.

[Becky]

Reffering to banner add sponsorship money as piddley sends a bad massage to those small local businesses who spend their limited advertising budget on add space here. Then in the next sentence you make reference to the money being driven away from the same business who's money you just belittled. This type of attitude presented by a forum moderator is what pushes the revenue elsewhere. Don't worry, I won't embarrass myself by giving my money to the forum. I'll make sure your sentiments are passed on to a handful of the other sponsors who're currently spending a piddly and laughable sum of money on add space here. 

KF can correct me if I'm wrong but I read it as him not calling the business owner's money "piddly", but referring to the fee that Dale charges. It really is a piddly amount in comparison to many other forums, Dale is very generous in allowing advertising for only $50 a year. Many other forums make big bucks on their fees for this.

I think everyone is missing two very important parts that have been mentioned:
1) Jay.Sharkbait is only temporarily banned, he'll be back in a couple more days.
2) "Dale has made it known recently that he would allow BH back on here."

It's almost 2017, can't we make a resolution to just be nicer to each other and realize how fragile life actually is. Why waste such effort arguing with internet strangers who we might actually befriend in real life.

[Crunchy]

I must have missed some entertainment.

Hard to believe some people get that worked up over an internet post they end up getting the boot from huntwa.  Just click on the little X at the top right of the screen and carry on.

[KFhunter]

Reffering to banner add sponsorship money as piddley sends a bad massage to those small local businesses who spend their limited advertising budget on add space here. Then in the next sentence you make reference to the money being driven away from the same business who's money you just belittled. This type of attitude presented by a forum moderator is what pushes the revenue elsewhere. Don't worry, I won't embarrass myself by giving my money to the forum. I'll make sure your sentiments are passed on to a handful of the other sponsors who're currently spending a piddly and laughable sum of money on add space here. 

KF can correct me if I'm wrong but I read it as him not calling the business owner's money "piddly", but referring to the fee that Dale charges. It really is a piddly amount in comparison to many other forums, Dale is very generous in allowing advertising for only $50 a year. Many other forums make big bucks on their fees for this.

I think everyone is missing two very important parts that have been mentioned:
1) Jay.Sharkbait is only temporarily banned, he'll be back in a couple more days.
2) "Dale has made it known recently that he would allow BH back on here."

It's almost 2017, can't we make a resolution to just be nicer to each other and realize how fragile life actually is. Why waste such effort arguing with internet strangers who we might actually befriend in real life.

He has to come back as littlehammer though





















j/k couldn't resist 

[Boss .300 winmag]

 

Bighammer is coming back as Littlehammer.