Remembering members we lost this year

[yorketransport]

I suppose the babysitter might have a different opinion than the drama club seeking cheap entertainment no matter the expense.   Expertise has been noted but there seems to be a lack of social skill out on the playground.   

I don't disagree. I think of it this way: All breeds of dogs have different personalities. We all accept that some breeds need to be entertained or occupied constantly to prevent destructive behavior. This doesn't necessarily make one breed better than the others. It simply shows that sometimes a GSP isn't the right choice for an avid hunter who works all day and lives in an apartment. The GSP will tear that place apart (often but not always) if it doesn't have an outlet for it's natural drive and energy. That doesn't make it a bad breed like some would believe. The banned former members are very similar. This site just didn't seem to mesh with their personalities or styles. That doesn't detract from the positive qualities, but it also can't necessarily over ride the negative ones. It just means that this wasn't the right home for them.

Twisted perception of an internet reality dude.

Or is the "internet reality" a twisted perception of the actual reality? Online, everyone is 6' 5", looks like Adonis and is an expert in everything that Google and Wikipedia can validate. To carry over Boneaddict's playground analogy, when you understand the playground, you look at the games a little differently. Social media is a fascinating social experiment if you sit back and watch.

[KFhunter]

I been on a lot of 4m's and this one by far is the hardest to get banned from.  IMO - it might be too lenient, giving an inch often leads to loosing a mile. 


I fought pretty dang hard in the wolf section of the forum for a long time before my mod days with just as much passion as anyone here, got some warnings, almost banned probably,  but mostly everyone's still here even though the debate has quieted down (even wolfbait)  but for some reason the shooting section seems to collect members who cannot get the hint and continue to flaunt and push the rules until finally they're banned.

Ya, they could have been great ambassadors for long range shooting and did some real good for the sport, sharing knowledge, but instead choose to do otherwise which does no good for the sport and drives people (and money) away.  Expertise and knowledge shouldn't come with the price of being belittled or berated. 

[pianoman9701]

I'm still here

Its simple, Dales site=Dales rules!

I learned real quick!

How? 

[kentrek]

No wonder I was un able to send jaysharkbait a pm....

[Bean Counter]

BigHammer was the dude with the "Your Favorite Caliber Sucks" meme/avatar? 

[pianoman9701]

I miss Hammer's gun porn. My god that guy has a load of firearms.

[yorketransport]

 but for some reason the shooting section seems to collect members who cannot get the hint and continue to flaunt and push the rules until finally they're banned.

Ya, they could have been great ambassadors for long range shooting and did some real good for the sport, sharing knowledge, but instead choose to do otherwise which does no good for the sport and drives people (and money) away.  Expertise and knowledge shouldn't come with the price of being belittled or berated.

Part of this comes from the amount of mis-information that pops up in that section. There are so many discouraging half-truths stated in that section that it's genuinely frustrating at times. We all know that there are a handful of topics specific to shooting equipment and methods that seem to be a hot button on this forum. That's fine, but it's just as discouraging and can drive just as many people away when the ethics of fellow hunters are called into question based solely on their equipment choice. The most prevalent debates in that section and others stem from imposing one person's personal ethics (or limitations) on others. That's discouraging to new shooters and hunters.

Age wise I fall into no man's land being 35. It's hard to deny the changing demographic of the sport as younger shooters get interested. It's possible that this site is simply catering to a more traditional group of shooters. By doing that though, you're already choosing to discourage an up and coming class of shooters. Doing that does nothing to help boost add revenue.

The reality is that I've considered paying for add space on this site in the past and will certainly do so again in the future. The tone of this site sometimes discourages Jay.Sharkbait, BiggerHammer and myself from doing so though. There is no way to quantify the value of revenue either generated or lost based on individual members. Perhaps the potential revenue lost by the three of us not purchasing add space on this site will be off set by the more frequent use of those individuals driven away by the absence of former members. Again, hoping to gain future revenue based on decisions made today falls under the realm of risk analysis which isn't my forte. I just hope that it is the specialty of others on here making decisions.

[KFhunter]

misinformation?      have you took a gander in the wolf forums?


As for the rest what is this "we" stuff??

There's very little moderator or admin influencement in the shooting section of the forum, as with all forums it is what the members make it.  As leading members of a particular section if you want it to be a positive learning environment (conducive to money being spent) then my advice is be an ambassador to the sport not a detractor.  (not pointing a finger at you in particular YT)

[Bean Counter]

...We all know that there are a handful of topics specific to shooting equipment and methods that seem to be a hot button on this forum. That's fine, but it's just as discouraging and can drive just as many people away when the ethics of fellow hunters are called into question based solely on their equipment choice. ..

There was a discussion about AR's and hunting yesterday. I for one stated that I find them less sporting than my bolt action rifle, but not necessarily that use of them is unethical/should be outlawed. Not necessarily saying this to you, York, but people need to keep their panties on straight before they read one word and interpret it as another. 

[boneaddict]

Investing, and buying leniency are two different things. 

You seem eloquently spoken enough, you can probably discern the difference.   A chest thumping ankle biter constantly harassing clients, or the neighborhood, will eventually be put down.  (Love the dog analogy). 

It's very difficult to be permanently  banned, as Dale is one of the most thoughtful, forgiving folks I know of.   It takes some kind of special to get yourself in that predictament unless you post kiddy porn or threaten to kill or inflict bodily harm.

[jackelope]

Yorketransport...
Before I say this, I will say that there is pretty much nobody on this forum I have respected more from a firearms knowledge standpoint than you and the 2 guys you started this thread about. You guys have literally forgotten more than I will ever know. I have talked to BH on the phone multiple times, bought stuff from him, learned from him and generally appreciate his immense knowledge base he's willing to share. Same for jay.sharkbait. I've talked to him on the phone, bounced questions off of him, etc. Nothing but great learning experiences with the guy. I've never spoke to you in person or on the phone I don't think, but I've read a ton of what you've written on here and have learned from it all. Dale has made it known recently that he would allow BH back on here. Pretty sure that's still in the discussion phase, and honestly I'm not sure if BH would want to come back.
Now.....
These are my opinions and not those of the forum. Not sure why I feel like I need to say that, but I will. It's 2016 after all.

The series of posts that got jay.sharkbait banned have all been deleted. He made a controversial/some would call it inappropriate comment and some people jumped on him about it. One of those folks who jumped on him is a hunt-wa career instigator. He just can't leave well enough alone. He comes out of nowhere with a comment that is meant to instigate and get peoples' hackles up. In my experience, he knows how to do it just enough where he gets people fired up yet doesn't do anything to break the rules. Last time this happened, jay.sharkbait reacted and called him a dbag, which is a clear violation of the rules and because of that, he was given a 7 day ban. Based on previous ban history and the protocol Dale has for that, he should've gotten a 30 day ban, but he didn't. He only got 7. I banned him and it was my decision the time frame to give him. The other mods supported that. It would be cool if folks could display their passion for this sort of stuff without name calling. I wish this unnamed member would just knock it off. There's no point to it and it really gets old. Really old. The mods and owner of the forum are sick of dealing with it and the name keeps coming back up regularly.
In the end, it would be cool if people could not be instigators and troublemakers. We're pretty much all adults here and we're all here to enjoy the forum and talk about stuff we all love. Yes, there will be a difference of opinion, mistakes made, things learned, but in the end we're all adults and it would be great if we acted as such. The moderators here all do the work we do for free, and all this trouble does is creates more work for a bunch of good folks who get nothing out of it other than criticism in the form of threads like this. Again, nothing but more drama.

[jackelope]

misinformation?      have you took a gander in the wolf forums?


As for the rest what is this "we" stuff??

There's very little moderator or admin influencement in the shooting section of the forum, as with all forums it is what the members make it.  As leading members of a particular section if you want it to be a positive learning environment (conducive to money being spent) then my advice is be an ambassador to the sport not a detractor.  (not pointing a finger at you in particular YT)

Personally I feel like there are other members that I hope read the part I have highlighted. There really is a great knowledge base here.

[KFhunter]

 but for some reason the shooting section seems to collect members who cannot get the hint and continue to flaunt and push the rules until finally they're banned.

Ya, they could have been great ambassadors for long range shooting and did some real good for the sport, sharing knowledge, but instead choose to do otherwise which does no good for the sport and drives people (and money) away.  Expertise and knowledge shouldn't come with the price of being belittled or berated.

Part of this comes from the amount of mis-information that pops up in that section. There are so many discouraging half-truths stated in that section that it's genuinely frustrating at times. We all know that there are a handful of topics specific to shooting equipment and methods that seem to be a hot button on this forum. That's fine, but it's just as discouraging and can drive just as many people away when the ethics of fellow hunters are called into question based solely on their equipment choice. The most prevalent debates in that section and others stem from imposing one person's personal ethics (or limitations) on others. That's discouraging to new shooters and hunters.

Age wise I fall into no man's land being 35. It's hard to deny the changing demographic of the sport as younger shooters get interested. It's possible that this site is simply catering to a more traditional group of shooters. By doing that though, you're already choosing to discourage an up and coming class of shooters. Doing that does nothing to help boost add revenue.

The reality is that I've considered paying for add space on this site in the past and will certainly do so again in the future. The tone of this site sometimes discourages Jay.Sharkbait, BiggerHammer and myself from doing so though. There is no way to quantify the value of revenue either generated or lost based on individual members. Perhaps the potential revenue lost by the three of us not purchasing add space on this site will be off set by the more frequent use of those individuals driven away by the absence of former members. Again, hoping to gain future revenue based on decisions made today falls under the realm of risk analysis which isn't my forte. I just hope that it is the specialty of others on here making decisions.

I wasn't talking about HW site sponsor money, that didn't even cross my mind and the threat of withholding that piddly fee is laughable at best.  I was talking about money being driven away from small local businesses in the shooting industry, businesses that might want their products in your hands so you can spread the word how awesome it is.

[JJB11B]

misinformation?      have you took a gander in the wolf forums?


As for the rest what is this "we" stuff??

There's very little moderator or admin influencement in the shooting section of the forum, as with all forums it is what the members make it.  As leading members of a particular section if you want it to be a positive learning environment (conducive to money being spent) then my advice is be an ambassador to the sport not a detractor.  (not pointing a finger at you in particular YT)

Personally I feel like there are other members that I hope read the part I have highlighted. There really is a great knowledge base here.

I heard you Josh, I know I haven't been helpful with the sarcasm... my bad

[dscubame]

Yorke your a good dude, although I never had issue with your buddies it was readily apparent others did and frankly it gets old and annoying while disrupting the various threads they screw with people on.

Stick around or not it really is no big deal.  Not to be rude but it's like the employee at a company that thinks it will be so different without them, really it won't and never is.

Go down the rabbit hole as deep as you wish while at the end of the day Hunt Wa goes on. 

There are other forums that allow crazy more nonsense than Hunt WA does while others extremely less and this Hunt Wa sits right in the middle thanks to the moderator structure