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This is the third year out of three for which the seasons have already been set, so yes, nothing should change from what it's been the last two years. The mule deer season will be October 14-24.
LOL, won't make a difference up here on what you see. Hard to kill what isn't there regardless of dates
Quote from: MtnMuley on January 05, 2017, 09:11:01 PMLOL, won't make a difference up here on what you see. Hard to kill what isn't there regardless of dates Everyone I talked to during the general season asked the same question, "Where are all the deer at? WDFW told us it would be as good as last year because their 3 point of better was working"
Quote from: timberfaller on January 05, 2017, 09:55:29 PMQuote from: MtnMuley on January 05, 2017, 09:11:01 PMLOL, won't make a difference up here on what you see. Hard to kill what isn't there regardless of dates Everyone I talked to during the general season asked the same question, "Where are all the deer at? WDFW told us it would be as good as last year because their 3 point of better was working" Actually, the 3 pt. or better rule has greatly helped up here. The later season dates and added couple days to go along with back to back epic winter range fires, couple thousand extra doe tags, increased predation due to lack opportunity, and a horrible winter has gotten to where we're at now. Time for WDFW and Scotty boy to swallow some pride and help this herd out even if it might be too late.
That's because there's no more deer left there.
The Methow herd needs some help, period! The 3 point or better has helped but like what some have said,there are a lot of different factors that have contributed to the downfall of this once thriving herd. IMHO they need to go to a draw only, way to much pressure besides all the other issues. Go to a draw or let only a certain amount in there based on some sort of odd/even year of birth or wild ID ending number or make it to where you can only hunt it every other year and then another group hunts it the other. Something needs to be done, it,s a shame what has become of this herd and yes, there are some on here that knows this is the truth unfortunately.
Quote from: bigmacc on January 06, 2017, 05:30:26 PMThe Methow herd needs some help, period! The 3 point or better has helped but like what some have said,there are a lot of different factors that have contributed to the downfall of this once thriving herd. IMHO they need to go to a draw only, way to much pressure besides all the other issues. Go to a draw or let only a certain amount in there based on some sort of odd/even year of birth or wild ID ending number or make it to where you can only hunt it every other year and then another group hunts it the other. Something needs to be done, it,s a shame what has become of this herd and yes, there are some on here that knows this is the truth unfortunately. I'd be okay with that, make Chili, Alta, Pearry, Gardner, Chewuch and Pogue draw only units. If you draw, you sit out the following year, similar to some of the Idaho draw only units. No point accumulation either.
The problem with making few units draw only is that the pressure then gets shifted to other units. So what really needs to happen is we need draw only for ALL mule deer hunting.
Axe multi season tags, and declare east or west side tag just like elk.
Unless you have to pick your poison.
Quote from: DBLDWN on January 07, 2017, 02:42:12 PMAxe multi season tags, and declare east or west side tag just like elk.Agreed...and go to a draw system that mirrors Idaho. Copy their draw system word for word.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
For those who want to kill off what is equivalent to black friday to the businesses in Twisp,Winthrop and stores in Eastern Washington by shutting down OTC muledeer hunting: :bdid:I and my son seen 4 nice bucks on the few days that allowed us to,due to heavy rain and snow and fog.Talking to the group who skins deer for free (tips excepted)in Twisp they were down 30% from the last few years so those suggestion of gutting the local economy to help the deer might be not just wrong but way too extreme.I shot a nice 2x3 and less than 20 minutes later a 4x4 came through almost in the same path.My son shot a 5x5 that was leading the way of my buck and then filmed a 4x5 for 10 minutes with his cell phone that came up from the canyon below us.I have that buck video transfered to my phone as proof.We do need to go after the predators as I seen way more bear and cat tracks in my areas than in the past.
Quote from: Jimmy33 on January 07, 2017, 02:51:16 PMQuote from: DBLDWN on January 07, 2017, 02:42:12 PMAxe multi season tags, and declare east or west side tag just like elk.Agreed...and go to a draw system that mirrors Idaho. Copy their draw system word for word.I'd like to see these changes as well as see Fish and Game shorten the season a bit in recognition of a problem. The communities of the Methow have adjusted and survived nearly snowless winters (fewer skiers, etc.) and the Carlton Complex fire.They can handle a few less hunters leaving money behind. Question then becomes "Can the local game manager handle it?" Does he recognize that there is a problem? Doubtful.Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYes sir
Quote from: DBLDWN on January 07, 2017, 02:42:12 PMAxe multi season tags, and declare east or west side tag just like elk.Agreed...and go to a draw system that mirrors Idaho. Copy their draw system word for word.I'd like to see these changes as well as see Fish and Game shorten the season a bit in recognition of a problem. The communities of the Methow have adjusted and survived nearly snowless winters (fewer skiers, etc.) and the Carlton Complex fire.They can handle a few less hunters leaving money behind. Question then becomes "Can the local game manager handle it?" Does he recognize that there is a problem? Doubtful.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Can the local game manager handle it? Does he recognize that there is a problem?
Damn wolves can't count 3 pts
Quote from: Skyvalhunter on January 06, 2017, 05:43:08 AMThat's because there's no more deer left there. Regardless, the point is the additional two weekdays had little impact on that problem. As Mtnmuley stated, ridiculous amount of additional doe tags, back to back fires, lack of predation control, and I'll also add FAR TOO MANY LATE TAGS are the biggest issues.
Quote from: huntnphool on January 06, 2017, 12:04:02 PMQuote from: Skyvalhunter on January 06, 2017, 05:43:08 AMThat's because there's no more deer left there. Regardless, the point is the additional two weekdays had little impact on that problem. As Mtnmuley stated, ridiculous amount of additional doe tags, back to back fires, lack of predation control, and I'll also add FAR TOO MANY LATE TAGS are the biggest issues.I'm glad it won't be the following week... we don't need a "quality hunt" to coincide with general season dates.
Quote from: hirshey on January 26, 2017, 01:10:48 PMQuote from: huntnphool on January 06, 2017, 12:04:02 PMQuote from: Skyvalhunter on January 06, 2017, 05:43:08 AMThat's because there's no more deer left there. Regardless, the point is the additional two weekdays had little impact on that problem. As Mtnmuley stated, ridiculous amount of additional doe tags, back to back fires, lack of predation control, and I'll also add FAR TOO MANY LATE TAGS are the biggest issues.I'm glad it won't be the following week... we don't need a "quality hunt" to coincide with general season dates. Huh?
Quote from: huntnphool on January 26, 2017, 01:54:49 PMQuote from: hirshey on January 26, 2017, 01:10:48 PMQuote from: huntnphool on January 06, 2017, 12:04:02 PMQuote from: Skyvalhunter on January 06, 2017, 05:43:08 AMThat's because there's no more deer left there. Regardless, the point is the additional two weekdays had little impact on that problem. As Mtnmuley stated, ridiculous amount of additional doe tags, back to back fires, lack of predation control, and I'll also add FAR TOO MANY LATE TAGS are the biggest issues.I'm glad it won't be the following week... we don't need a "quality hunt" to coincide with general season dates. Huh? I feel like the general rifle season already is close enough in timeframe to see rut activity depending on the season, so I'm glad it is the week stated, rather than the following week. 2015 had so many big bucks harvested for a multitude of reasons, one being that it had high rut activity, making it almost a "general season quality buck tag" in my opinion.
Quote from: hirshey on January 26, 2017, 02:12:55 PMQuote from: huntnphool on January 26, 2017, 01:54:49 PMQuote from: hirshey on January 26, 2017, 01:10:48 PMQuote from: huntnphool on January 06, 2017, 12:04:02 PMQuote from: Skyvalhunter on January 06, 2017, 05:43:08 AMThat's because there's no more deer left there. Regardless, the point is the additional two weekdays had little impact on that problem. As Mtnmuley stated, ridiculous amount of additional doe tags, back to back fires, lack of predation control, and I'll also add FAR TOO MANY LATE TAGS are the biggest issues.I'm glad it won't be the following week... we don't need a "quality hunt" to coincide with general season dates. Huh? I feel like the general rifle season already is close enough in timeframe to see rut activity depending on the season, so I'm glad it is the week stated, rather than the following week. 2015 had so many big bucks harvested for a multitude of reasons, one being that it had high rut activity, making it almost a "general season quality buck tag" in my opinion. Ok, what gave you the idea I wanted the week the season ran changed?
Quote from: huntnphool on January 26, 2017, 02:17:12 PMQuote from: hirshey on January 26, 2017, 02:12:55 PMQuote from: huntnphool on January 26, 2017, 01:54:49 PMQuote from: hirshey on January 26, 2017, 01:10:48 PMQuote from: huntnphool on January 06, 2017, 12:04:02 PMQuote from: Skyvalhunter on January 06, 2017, 05:43:08 AMThat's because there's no more deer left there. Regardless, the point is the additional two weekdays had little impact on that problem. As Mtnmuley stated, ridiculous amount of additional doe tags, back to back fires, lack of predation control, and I'll also add FAR TOO MANY LATE TAGS are the biggest issues.I'm glad it won't be the following week... we don't need a "quality hunt" to coincide with general season dates. Huh? I feel like the general rifle season already is close enough in timeframe to see rut activity depending on the season, so I'm glad it is the week stated, rather than the following week. 2015 had so many big bucks harvested for a multitude of reasons, one being that it had high rut activity, making it almost a "general season quality buck tag" in my opinion. Ok, what gave you the idea I wanted the week the season ran changed?Didn't say you did... I was simply adding my speculations as to why there were "no more deer" there, and agreeing the two extra days were not the issue insomuch as a combination of other factors.
If I had my way the east side of the state would be 4 point min for whitetail+muledeer,after about 4-6 years you would see some giants come from washington.And yes chose which side of the state you want to hunt deer like elk.
Quote from: hunter399 on January 26, 2017, 09:52:43 PMIf I had my way the east side of the state would be 4 point min for whitetail+muledeer,after about 4-6 years you would see some giants come from washington.And yes chose which side of the state you want to hunt deer like elk. Actually you wouldn't. A 4 point APR would focus all hunters on mature bucks, which would be detrimental to the herd.*