We didn't deal with ice very much. I'll just say that there is only one kind of water that is not frozen over there right now. And no, that was not us in Royal City, but it sounds like someone else had a good time too. One more thing I'did like to say to rasbo. Thank you. Back when you still lived in the Graham area, you took me up into the Hancock land to help me with calling/hunting bobcats. Never did get one, but i will always appreciate your time and assistance. Take care.