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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2017, 06:13:07 PM »
Its also frustrating that they hold the meetings during the week. Could they not hold at least one meeting on the east side and one on the west side during the weekend so the people who have to work could make a weekend meeting?

Also; I just downloaded the EIS and its 325 pages! How many people are really going to read it from front to back?

My final thought is this; I have hunted all over Montana and my hunting partners and I have ventured into several areas that were known to have grizzly. We only saw one from a distance and one sow with a cub at very close range. Under 80 yards. It really changed my hunting partner and I's attitude towards hunting in country that holds griz. It will always be in the back of your mind. All precautions aside. We decided not to set up our tent in the area that night and drove to the nearest hotel. About 45 miles away.... :chuckle:
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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2017, 06:18:21 PM »
I plan to go to the cashmere meeting.
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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2017, 06:22:59 PM »
I might go to the Darrigton Meeting.
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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2017, 07:22:29 AM »
They will do it anyway. It's all about the fed $$$ and land. This will close more roads and land to access. After a while no one will care about the land cause no one will be able to use it anyway and it will get sold.  We already know they care about our opinions on this. The meetings are just for show, just like wolves we have no choices
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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2017, 07:55:40 AM »
I will also be at the Cashmere meeting, Might not do any good but we have to try to make them see how bad an idea this is.

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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2017, 07:55:49 AM »
They will do it anyway. It's all about the fed $$$ and land. This will close more roads and land to access. After a while no one will care about the land cause no one will be able to use it anyway and it will get sold.  We already know they care about our opinions on this. The meetings are just for show, just like wolves we have no choices
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For anybody that does not no this already,they have had grizzly recovery zones for a long time here in northeast wa,which is all the same areas as lynx recovery zones,that's good , but the bad is that they use theses zones for a reason to do no management to the land,then when fires come through its a timber box waiting to burn.

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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2017, 07:56:24 AM »
Just curious bearpaw where do you stand on grizzlys?  I recall you having a pretty open mind about wolves.

I keep going back and forth - I don't particularly like the idea of sleeping out in the woods with grizzlys, but I keep saying "well BC and Alaska have tons of them so will it really be that big of an issue?"

Obviously I'm of the lesser informed variety.

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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2017, 08:24:34 AM »
They will do it anyway. It's all about the fed $$$ and land. This will close more roads and land to access. After a while no one will care about the land cause no one will be able to use it anyway and it will get sold.  We already know they care about our opinions on this. The meetings are just for show, just like wolves we have no choices
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For anybody that does not no this already,they have had grizzly recovery zones for a long time here in northeast wa,which is all the same areas as lynx recovery zones,that's good , but the bad is that they use theses zones for a reason to do no management to the land,then when fires come through its a timber box waiting to burn.
the selkirks is a great example of this. No spring bear tags in grizz recovery zones. Tons of decomishoned roads that fire fighters can't use anymore do to fallen trees and washouts. The tower fire could have been stopped much faster with some of those roads. This year they decomishoned a huge amount of road systems in 121. I don't mean gated either. Completely destroyed about 1/4 of road that accessed many more roads. Looks like a land slide and now no way for fire trucks to get in.
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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2017, 08:36:45 AM »
If they do this, drop some off in King County.  Washington's population is to high per capita compared to BC and Alaska. The first few times a hiker gets thumped by a sow with cubs they will probably let it go, but after a while they will have to do something.  Its really sad that these conservationists hate Washington's moose, deer and elk populations so much also.

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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2017, 08:40:35 AM »
Saw this posted a little while ago. In one of the paragraphs they mention space for griz and wolves.
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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2017, 08:45:26 AM »
They must be making money off the wolves and are looking for more ways to make more.
This is a bad idea and if it goes through then people are going to be killed by the bears.
OP should have a poll on here. How many outdoors men/women are in favor of introducing an apex predator into the woods.
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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2017, 08:52:59 AM »
http://www.conservationnw.org/what-we-do/northcascades/north-cascades-grizzly-bear

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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2017, 08:57:19 AM »
http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/2017/0112/Bring-back-the-grizzlies-Feds-draft-plan-to-restore-Washington-s-bear-population Here is another article about this.  I think we have enough predators and not enough prey. They should focus their efforts more on habitat and less on reintroduction IMO.  :twocents:
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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2017, 09:36:50 AM »
I honestly don't believe it will make a difference, but I commented on their site. Unfortunately like has already been stated on here, they've probably already made up their minds, too many anti hunters work in the wildlife field!  This idea is almost as bad as introducing a wolf breed that wasn't here to begin with.  Post your comments either way, bitching on this thread alone will do absolutely nothing.
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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2017, 09:57:51 AM »
I honestly don't believe it will make a difference, but I commented on their site. Unfortunately like has already been stated on here, they've probably already made up their minds, too many anti hunters work in the wildlife field!  This idea is almost as bad as introducing a wolf breed that wasn't here to begin with.  Post your comments either way, bitching on this thread alone will do absolutely nothing.

Only giving up will do nothing. If the other side is more passionate and vocal about their choice, then they probably deserve to get their way. The point of bringing this up was to get more people informed about it, talking about it and voicing their opinion in a more useful way than just b*tching about it. We all have to take it to the next level to make our voices heard.

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