Short barreled rifle( SBR) 300 blackout

[snowshoes22]

I really want to put together a SBR 300 blackout suppressed. Is the paper work and pain in the butt worth it? Not even sure  where to start.

[Special T]

You should check out the Daniel Defence with integrated suppressor.    If you wait a while you may not even need a tax stamp since they are looking at changing the suppressor laws.

[CP]

You may not need a tax stamp for the suppressor if the law changes, but you will for the SBR.  I looked into this awhile back and was scared off by the red tape.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/10/daniel-zimmerman/want-a-short-barreled-rifle-heres-how/

[Special T]

The Daniel's defence with integrated suppressor  doesn't qualify as a SBR from what I've read.

[jay.sharkbait]

The Daniel's defence with integrated suppressor  doesn't qualify as a SBR from what I've read.

You can permanently attach the suppressor and at that point it counts towards overall barrel length.

[Alchase]

This may be a stupid question....
At what point in the build process does it have to be permanently attached to not be a SBR?

[jay.sharkbait]

This may be a stupid question....
At what point in the build process does it have to be permanently attached to not be a SBR?

Nobody seems to be able to answer that one.

I'd post my take on it, but someone would just argue about it.

[BULLBLASTER]

This may be a stupid question....
At what point in the build process does it have to be permanently attached to not be a SBR?

Nobody seems to be able to answer that one.

I'd post my take on it, but someone would just argue about it.

it sure doesn't seem to be well defined. I'd like to say when it is put on a rifle configured lower... but then there are the sig brace items... which nobody has ever held up to their shoulder and fired. 
In truth I am pretty ignorant to the whole gas gun and sbr and can world...
maybe I can google it and post that? 

[Woodchuck]

This may be a stupid question....
At what point in the build process does it have to be permanently attached to not be a SBR?

Nobody seems to be able to answer that one.

I'd post my take on it, but someone would just argue about it.

No I wouldn't!

[Special T]

This may be a stupid question....
At what point in the build process does it have to be permanently attached to not be a SBR?

Nobody seems to be able to answer that one.

I'd post my take on it, but someone would just argue about it.

it sure doesn't seem to be well defined. I'd like to say when it is put on a rifle configured lower... but then there are the sig brace items... which nobody has ever held up to their shoulder and fired. 

This seems to be as good an answer as any. I would image an upper just chilling is fine.

[CP]

Pistol :

[CP]

SBR:

[snowshoes22]

I have been researching and might go the integrated route. I wasn't aware the suppressor counted towards overall length. Can I build a pistol and shoot it till I get my paper work back and then transfer it to a rifle with a butt stock?

[lamrith]

Suppressor counts to overall length IF it is pinned on and not removable at all, it is the same as a pinned/welded on flash hider on a 14.5" barrel, must be permanently affixed.  If the barrel is less than 16" you have to file for the SBR, with any luck long term we will not have to file for the suppressors.

The paperwork is not overly complicated.  There are new rules now with 41F in regards to fingerprints and pictures for everyone on the application (or trust which most people use)  Then it is just a matter of a LOONG wait time.  Right now they are at 7months and I think climbing?

SBR are pretty nice and fun to shoot, It is what the 300blk was built for.  SBR make nice B.O.B guns too if you are into that sort of thing.

If you build a <16" barrel upper you need to have a pistol lower in your possession until you get your stamp approval, otherwise you have constructive intent.  It is not a grey area and I suggest people avoid taking that risk.  Having just a barrel alone with no other parts to assemble it into an upper should not be an issue, but a complete upper is a no-no.

This may be a stupid question....
At what point in the build process does it have to be permanently attached to not be a SBR?

No stupid questions when it comes to NFA and making sure you are within the law, nobody needs that nightmare or to lose rights for not asking...
From what I have seen, you would want it permanently attached to the barrel before you install the barrel in the upper.  Unless as previously mentioned you have a pistol lower in your possession, If you have one of those around it really helps during your waiting on approval.  One option is Go buy a new lower, build the lower as a pistol, then take THAT lower and register it as your SBR lower.  Filing as a Form1 you keep the lower in your possession, so you can go ahead and mount the upper, enjoy shooting it, etc, just with the pistol buffer on it.  Once you get Stamp approved, take it in and get it engraved, then install rifle stock and you are DONE!

I have been researching and might go the integrated route. I wasn't aware the suppressor counted towards overall length. Can I build a pistol and shoot it till I get my paper work back and then transfer it to a rifle with a butt stock?

yup, see above.

[snowshoes22]

Thanks for the replies. The integrated route looks to be a good option. Looks like Witt machine sells uppers and Daniel defence, and integral arms have nice looking rifles. Info is greatly appreciated.

[jackelope]

This may be a stupid question....
At what point in the build process does it have to be permanently attached to not be a SBR?

Nobody seems to be able to answer that one.

I'd post my take on it, but someone would just argue about it.

No I wouldn't!

I wouldn't either.

My stepdad just built this little thing. .300 blackout SBR. Suppresor is removeable. 
I don't know anything about it other than it's a Rainier Arms lower and a Sig Romeo4 optic. It's pretty cool. All paperwork, permits, stamp, whatever are all legit and on the up and up.

[snowshoes22]

 

[Alchase]

This may be a stupid question....
At what point in the build process does it have to be permanently attached to not be a SBR?

Nobody seems to be able to answer that one.

I'd post my take on it, but someone would just argue about it.

No I wouldn't!

I wouldn't either.

My stepdad just built this little thing. .300 blackout SBR. Suppresor is removeable. 
I don't know anything about it other than it's a Rainier Arms lower and a Sig Romeo4 optic. It's pretty cool. All paperwork, permits, stamp, whatever are all legit and on the up and up.

I like that allot!

[Wanttohuntmore]

Would love to have a suppressed ar but not yet willing to wade through the red tape and pay the crazy price for a suppressor.   Maybe someday both will change.   

[b23]

You could always buy a AR pistol with Sig Arm brace and shoot it like a pistol while you are waiting for your SBR paper work to clear then shoot it however you want after that.

[snowshoes22]

Just ordered my lower receiver, stock and a 16" 6.8 SPC upper to keep me busy until my paper work clears for a Witt Machine 300 blk suppressed upper. I will post updates as the build goes along if people are interested. Thanks to all the members for their help with answering my questions.

Franklin Armory Libertas Lower (Desert Smoke)
Franklin Armory HBAR 16" Upper Assembly 6.8 SPC + 2 mags (Until 300 blackout upper is approved)
Magpul MOE Stock (FDE)
Warne Ramp Rail
Optic: Undecided

Witt Machine Integrally Suppressed 16" .300 Blackout AR Upper ( Suppressor cerakoted FDE)

Can't wait for this to come together

[Fungunnin]

I went the pistol route for my 300 BLK build. The upside is now it can be carried loaded in the car. 


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[b23]

Definitely want updates and pics too!!

Fungunnin, very nice looking setup.

[Gearhead1940]

The one upside to running a detachable suppressor is that you can use it on more than one rifle. My first project was a 300 BLK (Pinned and welded flash hider to keep barrel at 16" and before we could have SBR's here). I bought a 30 cal can from AAC, but I also got an extra flash hider for my 5.56 AR so i could use one can on both of the rifles. 

[CAMPMEAT]

Would love to have a suppressed ar but not yet willing to wade through the red tape and pay the crazy price for a suppressor.   Maybe someday both will change.

I just bought a CAN through The Silencer Shop. They took care of everything. This is my first Can and it was $ 528 w/stamp. It was on sale.  I put it in a TRUST too..

[CP]

Would love to have a suppressed ar but not yet willing to wade through the red tape and pay the crazy price for a suppressor.   Maybe someday both will change.

I just bought a CAN through The Silencer Shop. They took care of everything. This is my first Can and it was $ 528 w/stamp. It was on sale.  I put it in a TRUST too..

How much was the trust and what's involved in setting that up?

[mountainman]

Free. Use a form proven to have the legal verbage required. Tax stamp and it's required $'s.

[b23]

Would love to have a suppressed ar but not yet willing to wade through the red tape and pay the crazy price for a suppressor.   Maybe someday both will change.

I just bought a CAN through The Silencer Shop. They took care of everything. This is my first Can and it was $ 528 w/stamp. It was on sale.  I put it in a TRUST too..

How much was the trust and what's involved in setting that up?

Setting up a trust is the easy part, after you get it named and you and your beneficiaries names on it, all you have to do is have it notarized and it becomes legal.  The part that is a PITA is the new rules of 41F that went into affect July 13, 2016.  I believe everyone on your trust has to go through the same process as the person actually buying a suppressor.  The new 41F rules has what they call "Responsible Person" and everyone has to go through the same paperwork as the purchaser.  At least that's how I understand it to be.  With the new 41F, using a trust isn't quite as appealing as it once was, but it still offers benefits over filing as an individual.

[CP]

Would love to have a suppressed ar but not yet willing to wade through the red tape and pay the crazy price for a suppressor.   Maybe someday both will change.

I just bought a CAN through The Silencer Shop. They took care of everything. This is my first Can and it was $ 528 w/stamp. It was on sale.  I put it in a TRUST too..

How long was your wait?