Lead Ammo Ban, USFWS Lands

[Fl0und3rz]

http://www.weaselzippers.us/320863-obama-official-issues-lead-based-ammunition-ban-for-federal-lands-on-last-day-in-office/

[Bill W]

I believe most of the land being referred to is already steel shot in WA state.  I wouldn't bet I'm 100% correct but when I checked a few years ago I couldn't find an exception to that.

[pianoman9701]

  I'm not sure this is that big of a deal. I've been trying to dig up more info but can't find any.

[bigtex]

From the law enforcement side we have been told this is FAKE NEWS. The USFWS Director has no authority to enact hunting regulations on National Park Service, Forest Service, etc lands. He could only do so on National Wildlife Refuges which are about 95%+ lead free already.

[Bob33]

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170120/obama-says-goodbye-to-america-s-gun-owners-with-a-likely-short-lived-lead-ammo-ban

[Fl0und3rz]

Regardless of whether it affects many lands, it is a big deal when unelected bureaucrats take arbitrary and capricious action.

[jay.sharkbait]

It doesn't seem to affect that much territory at all and should be easy to overturn.

I suggest breathing into a paper bag.

[bigtex]

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170120/obama-says-goodbye-to-america-s-gun-owners-with-a-likely-short-lived-lead-ammo-ban

Now that is A LOT different then what some of the "news" organizations are reporting. The Director's Order simply states "It is the Service’s policy to: a. Require the use of nontoxic ammunition and fishing tackle to the fullest extent practicable for all activities on Service lands, waters, and facilities (refuges) by January 2022, except as needed for law enforcement or health and safety uses, as provided for in policy."

The memo goes on to say the USFWS Refuge system should work with states, and other federal land management agencies to work on simplifying and aligning lead regulations across state and federal agency lines.

And it all comes down to this. The DO did not enact any new regulation....

[Bob33]

https://www.fws.gov/policy/do219.html

As I read the order it is less of a "ban" than an initiative to work with various state and federal agencies.

[bigtex]

https://www.fws.gov/policy/do219.html

As I read the order it is less of a "ban" than an initiative to work with various state and federal agencies.

All it is is an initiative.

[Fl0und3rz]

It doesn't seem to affect that much territory at all and should be easy to overturn.

I suggest breathing into a paper bag.

Then you should probably reread it.  All uses.  To the maximum extent practicable.  Working with state, tribal, and other federal agencies.  Read it again.  If it is no big deal, why bother with it?

[bigtex]

It doesn't seem to affect that much territory at all and should be easy to overturn.

I suggest breathing into a paper bag.

Then you should probably reread it.  All uses.  To the maximum extent practicable.  Working with state, tribal, and other federal agencies.  Read it again.  If it is no big deal, why bother with it?

And show me where it actually changes regulations. Oh wait, it doesn't! Your "To the maximum extent practicable" only applies on USFWS lands, which are 95% lead free already, and it just says the agency should work towards lead free on those lands. No regs are changed by this policy!

[jay.sharkbait]

It doesn't seem to affect that much territory at all and should be easy to overturn.

I suggest breathing into a paper bag.

Then you should probably reread it.  All uses.  To the maximum extent practicable.  Working with state, tribal, and other federal agencies.  Read it again.  If it is no big deal, why bother with it?

Exactly, why bother?

[Jonathan_S]

Good thing Bergers look like Barnes when loaded

[Miles]

The lead ammo been will be coming to Washington soon enough.  CA just passed it statewide and everyone knows WA will follow suit.  I bet within the next 5 - 10 years there will be laws in place.

CA has had big plans and timed their change quite well.  Now the lead ammo ban takes place around the same time the background checks for buying ammo kicks in....  So you can't use your old ammo, and now they can regulate and watch what you're buying.