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6. May I lawfully ship a firearm to myself in a different State?Any person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in the care of another person in the State where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner “in the care of” the out-of-State resident. Upon reaching its destination, persons other than the owner must not open the package or take possession of the firearm.
FFL unless you're shipping to yourself. Trigger locks a must.
Quote6. May I lawfully ship a firearm to myself in a different State?Any person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in the care of another person in the State where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner “in the care of” the out-of-State resident. Upon reaching its destination, persons other than the owner must not open the package or take possession of the firearm. https://www.atf.gov/file/61721/downloadSince it isn't a transfer, I don't think you need to involve an FFL.
You can drive them up too, through Canada, standard hunting rifles aren't an issue. Stop in the US side first before you cross into Canada, they'll give you a piece of paper that'll let you bring it back into the US. Fail to do this and you could have them temporarily seized while you re-import them back via ATF. Takes a long time. Or you could fly them with you checked in baggage.
Your dad has them? Have him ship them to himself at your residence.
Quote from: bobcat on January 24, 2017, 09:49:21 AMYour dad has them? Have him ship them to himself at your residence.Since they are my guns cant he just put my name on them? Is there special paperwork he would need to fill out?
The requirements of I-594 are reflected in RCW 9.41.113http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.113Transfers between family members are exempt, if the transfer is a bona fide gift.
I think shipping the guns out of WA wouldn't be an issue, your biggest hurdle will be the shipper. Who's taking possession of the guns in AK since you won't be there? FROM: Teacherman WATO: Teacherman AKC/O Teacherman's buddy in AKTeacherman's buddy can then take possession of the box (with ID) and hold it until Teacherman gets there, Teacherman's buddy can't legally open the box - which constitutes taking possession of the firearms.
Quote from: KFhunter on January 24, 2017, 10:48:08 AMI think shipping the guns out of WA wouldn't be an issue, your biggest hurdle will be the shipper. Who's taking possession of the guns in AK since you won't be there? FROM: Teacherman WATO: Teacherman AKC/O Teacherman's buddy in AKTeacherman's buddy can then take possession of the box (with ID) and hold it until Teacherman gets there, Teacherman's buddy can't legally open the box - which constitutes taking possession of the firearms. Where are you reading this senerio into the process? I believe that teacher mans dad will ship to teacher man in AK.
Shipping to myself... From one personal residence to another. ME to ME lol..
Quote from: Bob33 on January 24, 2017, 10:40:38 AMThe requirements of I-594 are reflected in RCW 9.41.113http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.113Transfers between family members are exempt, if the transfer is a bona fide gift.Well there you go, no FFL needed. Thanks Bob33. Take it to UPS and ship away.
Quote from: Boss .300 winmag on January 24, 2017, 10:51:17 AMQuote from: KFhunter on January 24, 2017, 10:48:08 AMI think shipping the guns out of WA wouldn't be an issue, your biggest hurdle will be the shipper. Who's taking possession of the guns in AK since you won't be there? FROM: Teacherman WATO: Teacherman AKC/O Teacherman's buddy in AKTeacherman's buddy can then take possession of the box (with ID) and hold it until Teacherman gets there, Teacherman's buddy can't legally open the box - which constitutes taking possession of the firearms. Where are you reading this senerio into the process? I believe that teacher mans dad will ship to teacher man in AK. Quote from: TeacherMan on January 24, 2017, 09:47:23 AMShipping to myself... From one personal residence to another. ME to ME lol..
I realize that for all intents and purposes, he's shipping it to himself and it probably doesn't matter much, but unless he's there to "actually do the shipping", is he really shipping to himself? What would the ATF say to that question? Really I don't care. I might or might not have done the same thing myself at one point in time...but I just guess for the sake of conversation, if a guy were to follow the letter of the law, how does it lay out?
Quote6. May I lawfully ship a firearm to myself in a different State?Any person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in the care of another person in the State where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner “in the care of” the out-of-State resident. Upon reaching its destination, persons other than the owner must not open the package or take possession of the firearm. https://www.atf.gov/file/61721/download
Quote from: jackelope on January 24, 2017, 12:10:00 PMI realize that for all intents and purposes, he's shipping it to himself and it probably doesn't matter much, but unless he's there to "actually do the shipping", is he really shipping to himself? What would the ATF say to that question? Really I don't care. I might or might not have done the same thing myself at one point in time...but I just guess for the sake of conversation, if a guy were to follow the letter of the law, how does it lay out?Quote from: Curly on January 24, 2017, 09:44:40 AMQuote6. May I lawfully ship a firearm to myself in a different State?Any person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in the care of another person in the State where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner in the care of the out-of-State resident. Upon reaching its destination, persons other than the owner must not open the package or take possession of the firearm. https://www.atf.gov/file/61721/download
Quote6. May I lawfully ship a firearm to myself in a different State?Any person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in the care of another person in the State where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner in the care of the out-of-State resident. Upon reaching its destination, persons other than the owner must not open the package or take possession of the firearm. https://www.atf.gov/file/61721/download
6. May I lawfully ship a firearm to myself in a different State?Any person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in the care of another person in the State where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner in the care of the out-of-State resident. Upon reaching its destination, persons other than the owner must not open the package or take possession of the firearm.
I would love to know how 594 applies to this one. Even if he is shipping it to himself, when he gives the package to USPS or UPS, at that point who has "possession" of the firearm? Ownership hasn't changed but I would think possession has changed.FYI 594 is dumb. It will be interesting to see if it is ever tested in a court of law to the letter of the law.
Quote from: Rainier10 on January 24, 2017, 12:20:48 PMI would love to know how 594 applies to this one. Even if he is shipping it to himself, when he gives the package to USPS or UPS, at that point who has "possession" of the firearm? Ownership hasn't changed but I would think possession has changed.FYI 594 is dumb. It will be interesting to see if it is ever tested in a court of law to the letter of the law.But 594 doesn't apply to this as it's his dad, and it's federal(crossing state lines).
Quote from: jackelope on January 24, 2017, 12:37:09 PMQuote from: Rainier10 on January 24, 2017, 12:20:48 PMI would love to know how 594 applies to this one. Even if he is shipping it to himself, when he gives the package to USPS or UPS, at that point who has "possession" of the firearm? Ownership hasn't changed but I would think possession has changed.FYI 594 is dumb. It will be interesting to see if it is ever tested in a court of law to the letter of the law.But 594 doesn't apply to this as it's his dad, and it's federal(crossing state lines).Technically he doesn't possess the firearm as soon as he gives it to the guy behind the counter at USPS. It's not an issue in any other state because they don't have this law.I can't give you a gun to take to my wife. I can give a gun to my wife but as soon as you step into the loop it messes everything up. Same thing should technically apply to the guy at the USPS counter and everyone that touches the package after that.Would they really ever charge and convict someone for that type of violation? I doubt it but "technically" I think they could.
These threads never turn out good, you guys are killing me. :beatdeadhorseDo you guys think this is the first gun shipped out of state since I-594.It's not, so everyone that was shipped was illegal? If an FFL ships to FFL, some joe blow other than an FFL had custody, possession of in transit, was that illegal, NO. SO WHY WOULD IT BE ILLEGAL FOR HIS DAD TO SHIP HIM HIS GUN TO HIM IN AK?It's legal for his dad to have possession of his gun according to I-594, the Feds say it's legal to ship, and AK doesn't have stupid I-594 law.
Quote from: Boss .300 winmag on January 24, 2017, 02:40:13 PMThese threads never turn out good, you guys are killing me. :beatdeadhorseDo you guys think this is the first gun shipped out of state since I-594.It's not, so everyone that was shipped was illegal? If an FFL ships to FFL, some joe blow other than an FFL had custody, possession of in transit, was that illegal, NO. SO WHY WOULD IT BE ILLEGAL FOR HIS DAD TO SHIP HIM HIS GUN TO HIM IN AK?It's legal for his dad to have possession of his gun according to I-594, the Feds say it's legal to ship, and AK doesn't have stupid I-594 law.I don't disagree, these threads are always cloudy because shippers aren't very consistent. Federal and State regulations aren't the issue as I said in the first post, the problem is with the shipper. The person behind the shipping counter doesn't always know the law either. I don't see where we've differed in our advice.
I shipped some ammo this week, and the young lady at the UPS counter wasn't sure about it, till I told here that online sales shipped comes from either UPS, or FEDEX. Then she checked, and said your right let me package that up for you. Only weird thing is she said it had to be dropped off at thier shipping hub like 5 blocks away. I bet most FFL shipping the shipper picks up the guns at the stores, or place of business so the shipping stores don't have much experience in it, but they can learn.
Quote from: Boss .300 winmag on January 24, 2017, 02:56:36 PMI shipped some ammo this week, and the young lady at the UPS counter wasn't sure about it, till I told here that online sales shipped comes from either UPS, or FEDEX. Then she checked, and said your right let me package that up for you. Only weird thing is she said it had to be dropped off at thier shipping hub like 5 blocks away. I bet most FFL shipping the shipper picks up the guns at the stores, or place of business so the shipping stores don't have much experience in it, but they can learn. Pretty sure that legally ammo is supposed to have some sort of ORM-D label on it. Maybe Yorketransport could answer that for sure.
Quote from: jackelope on January 24, 2017, 03:14:24 PMQuote from: Boss .300 winmag on January 24, 2017, 02:56:36 PMI shipped some ammo this week, and the young lady at the UPS counter wasn't sure about it, till I told here that online sales shipped comes from either UPS, or FEDEX. Then she checked, and said your right let me package that up for you. Only weird thing is she said it had to be dropped off at thier shipping hub like 5 blocks away. I bet most FFL shipping the shipper picks up the guns at the stores, or place of business so the shipping stores don't have much experience in it, but they can learn. Pretty sure that legally ammo is supposed to have some sort of ORM-D label on it. Maybe Yorketransport could answer that for sure.correct - must have ORM-D and can only be shipped domestically. Sorry AK/HI no can do.
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49 C.F.R. § 172 <-- it's all in there
Playing Devil's advocate. How would they know you were shipping a firearm if you didn't declare it?Packaging a hand gun would be easy. You could disassemble a long gun and it would package pretty compact. Just wondering if you could skirt the carrier shipping concerns??Are all packages run through x-ray?
Quote from: quadrafire on January 26, 2017, 08:53:53 AMPlaying Devil's advocate. How would they know you were shipping a firearm if you didn't declare it?Packaging a hand gun would be easy. You could disassemble a long gun and it would package pretty compact. Just wondering if you could skirt the carrier shipping concerns??Are all packages run through x-ray?If it was lost in transit and you put in an insurance claim, and didn't declare it, that could cause problems. That would be a gamble I would not take. But yes if you broke it down they probably would be none the wiser.
Quoting laws and cutting and pasting RCWs really doesn't matter one bit. The bottom line is you have to use a shipper to ship a firearm. That shipper will have rules he operates under. If you don't follow those rules you don't ship. So pick your shipper, see what his requirements are and decide if you sill ship or not. Pretty simple really.
Read the original post There is no Dad involved it is from him, owner to owner in a different state, his residence to his residence. There is nothing legal involved. ship em.Carl
Quote from: quadrafire on January 26, 2017, 08:53:53 AMPlaying Devil's advocate. How would they know you were shipping a firearm if you didn't declare it?Packaging a hand gun would be easy. You could disassemble a long gun and it would package pretty compact. Just wondering if you could skirt the carrier shipping concerns??Are all packages run through x-ray?Xray...just that simple. Shipped a firearm firearm (long gun) to a private FFL in Ohio. They caught it in chicago and it took three months to unravel the undeclared firearm. Not worth it.