What are the laws actually for shipping a rifle?

[TeacherMan]

I have a couple rifles in the Spokane area I'd like shipped to my home in AK and I'm wondering do I actually have to ship from an FFL to an FFL or can I just have them taken apart and put in boxes? I'm sure this question as been beaten to death but in my searches it mainly brings up purchasing firearms online and shipping and these are firearms that I already own.

I'm wanting to ship from one residence to another... WA to AK

[Curly]

6. May I lawfully ship a firearm to myself in a different State?
Any person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in the care of another person in the State where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner “in the care of” the out-of-State resident. Upon reaching its destination, persons other than the owner must not open the package or take possession of the firearm.

https://www.atf.gov/file/61721/download

Since it isn't a transfer, I don't think you need to involve an FFL.

[KFhunter]

FFL unless you're shipping to yourself.  Trigger locks a must.

[TeacherMan]

FFL unless you're shipping to yourself.  Trigger locks a must.

Shipping to myself... From one personal residence to another. ME to ME lol..

[KFhunter]

6. May I lawfully ship a firearm to myself in a different State?
Any person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in the care of another person in the State where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner “in the care of” the out-of-State resident. Upon reaching its destination, persons other than the owner must not open the package or take possession of the firearm.

https://www.atf.gov/file/61721/download

Since it isn't a transfer, I don't think you need to involve an FFL.

That's the ATF rule, shippers can also apply their own rules IE: trigger locks, won't ship pistols etc.  This varies by shipper.

[bobcat]

Your dad has them? Have him ship them to himself at your residence.

[KFhunter]

You can drive them up too, through Canada, standard hunting rifles aren't an issue. 

Stop in the US side first before you cross into Canada, they'll give you a piece of paper that'll let you bring it back into the US.  Fail to do this and you could have them temporarily seized while you re-import them back via ATF.  Takes a long time.  Or you could fly them with you checked in baggage.

[TeacherMan]

You can drive them up too, through Canada, standard hunting rifles aren't an issue. 

Stop in the US side first before you cross into Canada, they'll give you a piece of paper that'll let you bring it back into the US.  Fail to do this and you could have them temporarily seized while you re-import them back via ATF.  Takes a long time.  Or you could fly them with you checked in baggage.

I do quite often I'm just wanting to work on a couple this winter. I'm finding that I have better materials available to me up in AK at a much better price.

[TeacherMan]

Your dad has them? Have him ship them to himself at your residence.

Since they are my guns cant he just put my name on them? Is there special paperwork he would need to fill out?

[jackelope]

Your dad has them? Have him ship them to himself at your residence.

Since they are my guns cant he just put my name on them? Is there special paperwork he would need to fill out?

I'm wondering how I-594 plays into this from a legal standpoint. If your dad has them in Washington, is he the owner and needs to do a transfer to you in AK?
Per 594, who is the actual owner? I understand Teacherman "owns" them, but how does I-594 play into this?
Teacherman could ship to Teacherman if Teacherman was on the shipping end and the receiving end... i.e. he's going  hunting in Colorado and is going to ship his guns ahead of time. But such is not the case here. Same goes for his dad, but his dad is not going to actually be on the receiving end.


My take on it is your dad needs to ship them to you via a FFL holder to be completely legal.

[Boss .300 winmag]

This is why they wanted I-594, so all the guns people own get accounted for BS.

You need to find out what the law actually says, I would not run my guns thru an FFL to ship to me. I would figurine out a legal way around it. 

[Bob33]

The requirements of I-594 are reflected in RCW 9.41.113

http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.113

Transfers between family members are exempt, if the transfer is a bona fide gift.

[KFhunter]

I think shipping the guns out of WA wouldn't be an issue, your biggest hurdle will be the shipper.  Who's taking possession of the guns in AK since you won't be there? 


FROM: TeachermanDAD WA

TO:  TeachermanDAD AK
C/O  Teacherman in AK


Teacherman can then take possession of the box (with ID) no FFL required for transfer between family. 

[Boss .300 winmag]

The requirements of I-594 are reflected in RCW 9.41.113

http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.113

Transfers between family members are exempt, if the transfer is a bona fide gift.

Well there you go, no FFL needed. Thanks Bob33. 

Take it to UPS and ship away.

[Boss .300 winmag]

I think shipping the guns out of WA wouldn't be an issue, your biggest hurdle will be the shipper.  Who's taking possession of the guns in AK since you won't be there? 


FROM: Teacherman WA

TO:  Teacherman AK
C/O  Teacherman's buddy in AK


Teacherman's buddy can then take possession of the box (with ID) and hold it until Teacherman gets there, Teacherman's buddy can't legally open the box - which constitutes taking possession of the firearms.

Where are you reading this senerio into the process?

I believe that teacher mans dad will ship to teacher man in AK.