What are the laws actually for shipping a rifle?

[Boss .300 winmag]

These threads never turn out good, you guys are killing me.  :beatdeadhorse

Do you guys think this is the first gun shipped out of state since I-594.

It's not, so everyone that was shipped was illegal?

If an FFL ships to FFL, some joe blow other than an FFL had custody, possession of in transit, was that illegal, NO.

SO WHY WOULD IT BE ILLEGAL FOR HIS DAD TO SHIP HIM HIS GUN TO HIM IN AK?

It's legal for his dad to have possession of his gun according to I-594, the Feds say it's legal to ship, and AK doesn't have stupid I-594 law.

I don't disagree, these threads are always cloudy because shippers aren't very consistent.  Federal and State regulations aren't the issue as I said in the first post, the problem is with the shipper.  The person behind the shipping counter doesn't always know the law either.

I don't see where we've differed in our advice.

Shipper as UPS/FEDEX, or person tacking it to the shipper?

[jackelope]

These threads never turn out good, you guys are killing me.  :beatdeadhorse

Do you guys think this is the first gun shipped out of state since I-594.

It's not, so everyone that was shipped was illegal?

If an FFL ships to FFL, some joe blow other than an FFL had custody, possession of in transit, was that illegal, NO.

SO WHY WOULD IT BE ILLEGAL FOR HIS DAD TO SHIP HIM HIS GUN TO HIM IN AK?

It's legal for his dad to have possession of his gun according to I-594, the Feds say it's legal to ship, and AK doesn't have stupid I-594 law.

Personally, I don't think the legality of it has anything to do with I-594.
The question I was trying to get to the answer was, by the letter of the law can his father ship the gun in the mail to him without involving an FFL?

[jackelope]

I shipped some ammo this week, and the young lady at the UPS counter wasn't sure about it, till I told here that online sales shipped comes from either UPS, or FEDEX. Then she checked, and said your right let me package that up for you. Only weird thing is she said it had to be dropped off at thier shipping hub like 5 blocks away.

I bet most FFL shipping the shipper picks up the guns at the stores, or place of business so the shipping stores don't have much experience in it, but they can learn.

Pretty sure that legally ammo is supposed to have some sort of ORM-D label on it. Maybe Yorketransport could answer that for sure.

[Boss .300 winmag]

I shipped some ammo this week, and the young lady at the UPS counter wasn't sure about it, till I told here that online sales shipped comes from either UPS, or FEDEX. Then she checked, and said your right let me package that up for you. Only weird thing is she said it had to be dropped off at thier shipping hub like 5 blocks away.

I bet most FFL shipping the shipper picks up the guns at the stores, or place of business so the shipping stores don't have much experience in it, but they can learn.

Pretty sure that legally ammo is supposed to have some sort of ORM-D label on it. Maybe Yorketransport could answer that for sure.

Yep, that's thier problem.  . That's what they get paid for.

[KFhunter]

I shipped some ammo this week, and the young lady at the UPS counter wasn't sure about it, till I told here that online sales shipped comes from either UPS, or FEDEX. Then she checked, and said your right let me package that up for you. Only weird thing is she said it had to be dropped off at thier shipping hub like 5 blocks away.

I bet most FFL shipping the shipper picks up the guns at the stores, or place of business so the shipping stores don't have much experience in it, but they can learn.

Pretty sure that legally ammo is supposed to have some sort of ORM-D label on it. Maybe Yorketransport could answer that for sure.

correct - must have ORM-D  and can only be shipped domestically.  Sorry AK/HI no can do.

[Boss .300 winmag]

I shipped some ammo this week, and the young lady at the UPS counter wasn't sure about it, till I told here that online sales shipped comes from either UPS, or FEDEX. Then she checked, and said your right let me package that up for you. Only weird thing is she said it had to be dropped off at thier shipping hub like 5 blocks away.

I bet most FFL shipping the shipper picks up the guns at the stores, or place of business so the shipping stores don't have much experience in it, but they can learn.

Pretty sure that legally ammo is supposed to have some sort of ORM-D label on it. Maybe Yorketransport could answer that for sure.

correct - must have ORM-D  and can only be shipped domestically.  Sorry AK/HI no can do.

Quiz time, I know why. Do you?

[KFhunter]

Of course, I'm a hazmat coordinator / technician.

[Boss .300 winmag]

Of course, I'm a hazmat coordinator / technician.

And?

[KFhunter]

49 C.F.R. § 172   <-- it's all in there 

[Boss .300 winmag]

49 C.F.R. § 172   <-- it's all in there 

Uggghh.

It's because if the plane carrying it decompressed at altitude it becomes very unstable, so it needs to be packaged special. So you can airship but you have to be licensed to do it.

You can ship ammo this way to AK & HI. See link below.

https://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/prepare/packaging/guidelines/ammunition.html

[quadrafire]

Playing Devil's advocate. How would they know you were shipping a firearm if you didn't declare it?
Packaging a hand gun would be easy. You could disassemble a long gun and it would package pretty compact.
Just wondering if you could skirt the carrier shipping concerns??
Are all packages run through x-ray?

[Boss .300 winmag]

Playing Devil's advocate. How would they know you were shipping a firearm if you didn't declare it?
Packaging a hand gun would be easy. You could disassemble a long gun and it would package pretty compact.
Just wondering if you could skirt the carrier shipping concerns??
Are all packages run through x-ray?

If it was lost in transit and you put in an insurance claim, and didn't declare it, that could cause problems. That would be a gamble I would not take. 

But yes if you broke it down they probably would be none the wiser.

[quadrafire]

Playing Devil's advocate. How would they know you were shipping a firearm if you didn't declare it?
Packaging a hand gun would be easy. You could disassemble a long gun and it would package pretty compact.
Just wondering if you could skirt the carrier shipping concerns??
Are all packages run through x-ray?

If it was lost in transit and you put in an insurance claim, and didn't declare it, that could cause problems. That would be a gamble I would not take. 

But yes if you broke it down they probably would be none the wiser.

My luck an ATF official would personally deliver it to my door if I tried that 

[mountainman]

Quoting laws and cutting and pasting RCWs really doesn't matter one bit.  The bottom line is you have to use a shipper to ship a firearm.  That shipper will have rules he operates under.  If you don't follow those rules you don't ship.  So pick your shipper, see what his requirements are and decide if you sill ship or not.  Pretty simple really. 

simple as that! learn their requirements, follow them, no muss no fuss

[jackelope]

Playing Devil's advocate. How would they know you were shipping a firearm if you didn't declare it?
Packaging a hand gun would be easy. You could disassemble a long gun and it would package pretty compact.
Just wondering if you could skirt the carrier shipping concerns??
Are all packages run through x-ray?

Before I-594, you could mail a rifle via the USPS within state lines and it was totally legal. USPS didn't give any crap about it and you didn't have to disassemble it and hide it sneakily. Handguns had to go to an FFL but rifles it was totally legal to mail it as long as they didn't cross state lines.
Now 594 is a thing, and mailing them to someone else is no longer a thing.