Hope he got away!

[IBspoiled]

Frustrated that these elk don't get a break from hunting pressure.

Do the natives actually have a season they go by?

[renrutbocaj]

is your date at the beginning of the video correct?

what tells you this is a native/ tribal member?

[Curly]

The date goes by so fast..........does it say January 2011? 

[Russ McDonald]

01-06-2011

[IBspoiled]

My camera date is incorrect.  It was within the last 3 weeks. 

[WAcoyotehunter]

I don't see what spooked them.  How do you know it's a person?

[renrutbocaj]

My camera date is incorrect.  It was within the last 3 weeks.

so what makes you think its a Native?

[Cultusman]

My camera date is incorrect.  It was within the last 3 weeks.

so what makes you think its a Native?

So what makes you think it's not. For you people that don't live in a area where Tribal hunting occurs, they are still hunting on a daily basis. As far as seasons go it is whenever they want and the restrictions are anything with hair on it.

If someone would like to prove me wrong please post some Trible season dates and regulations.

[renrutbocaj]

My camera date is incorrect.  It was within the last 3 weeks.

so what makes you think its a Native?

So what makes you think it's not. For you people that don't live in a area where Tribal hunting occurs, they are still hunting on a daily basis. As far as seasons go it is whenever they want and the restrictions are anything with hair on it.

If someone would like to prove me wrong please post some Trible season dates and regulations.

This is one of the reasons that I ask. I am not tribal myself, however I have worked for and with several tribes in Washington. I was a Fishery manager for one and am now a Wildlife manager for another. I know for a fact that there are hunting seasons and fishing seasons for most if not all tribes.

It frustrates me to see comments such as yours that have no basis other than "they are still hunting on a daily basis. As far as seasons go it is whenever they want and the restrictions are anything with hair on it." Ive lived and worked my whole life around tribes and reservations.

Im not saying there is not a few bad apples that are native, but there are just as many bad apples who are non-native that are out there poaching, stealing trail cameras, harvesting trees, dumping trash, etc. I have seen many of those first hand by non-tribal members.

Im not here to get in a pissing match, I just think its funny that because somebody heard a gun shot on their trail camera that they assume its tribal members. Are there images of this person or the vehicle that was in the area, or any other reason to suspect that it was definitely a tribal member?

[jackelope]

Is this a video of some elk running through the woods?  Maybe I'm missing something. How did we get to it being native hunting pressure that's pushing the elk through the woods?
Am I missing something? I mean...it could be a wolf or even one of the new grizzly bears too, right?

[Rainier10]

Is this a video of some elk running through the woods?  Maybe I'm missing something. How did we get to it being native hunting pressure that's pushing the elk through the woods?
Am I missing something? I mean...it could be a wolf or even one of the new grizzly bears too, right?

There is a gun shot at the end of the video. That doesn't make it tribal, it could be poaching.  It could be someone just shooting coyotes in the area and spooking the elk at the same time.

[Russ McDonald]

Is this a video of some elk running through the woods?  Maybe I'm missing something. How did we get to it being native hunting pressure that's pushing the elk through the woods?
Am I missing something? I mean...it could be a wolf or even one of the new grizzly bears too, right?

There is a gun shot at the end of the video. That doesn't make it tribal, it could be poaching.  It could be someone just shooting coyotes in the area and spooking the elk at the same time.

[renrutbocaj]

Is this a video of some elk running through the woods?  Maybe I'm missing something. How did we get to it being native hunting pressure that's pushing the elk through the woods?
Am I missing something? I mean...it could be a wolf or even one of the new grizzly bears too, right?

There is a gun shot at the end of the video. That doesn't make it tribal, it could be poaching.  It could be someone just shooting coyotes in the area and spooking the elk at the same time.

x2

[IBspoiled]

Yes this is an assumption that it was a native that was shooting at the elk, because I have only ever encountered natives in this area while checking my camera's and they usually have dead elk they are processing, along with other elk carcasses from fresh kills that are dumped along the road.  Last winter I hiked in the snow, cougar hunting and heard a shot below me.  An elk had crossed the road on my way back down with a blood trail and dragging his left front leg. no one made an attempt to track this bull. it had been hours since the shot and the road below me where the shot was from was only two hundred yards. and yes the natives were driving the roads that day. frustrating

[browney5er]

My camera date is incorrect.  It was within the last 3 weeks.

so what makes you think its a Native?

So what makes you think it's not. For you people that don't live in a area where Tribal hunting occurs, they are still hunting on a daily basis. As far as seasons go it is whenever they want and the restrictions are anything with hair on it.

If someone would like to prove me wrong please post some Trible season dates and regulations.

This is one of the reasons that I ask. I am not tribal myself, however I have worked for and with several tribes in Washington. I was a Fishery manager for one and am now a Wildlife manager for another. I know for a fact that there are hunting seasons and fishing seasons for most if not all tribes.

It frustrates me to see comments such as yours that have no basis other than "they are still hunting on a daily basis. As far as seasons go it is whenever they want and the restrictions are anything with hair on it." Ive lived and worked my whole life around tribes and reservations.

Im not saying there is not a few bad apples that are native, but there are just as many bad apples who are non-native that are out there poaching, stealing trail cameras, harvesting trees, dumping trash, etc. I have seen many of those first hand by non-tribal members.

Im not here to get in a pissing match, I just think its funny that because somebody heard a gun shot on their trail camera that they assume its tribal members. Are there images of this person or the vehicle that was in the area, or any other reason to suspect that it was definitely a tribal member?

So why don't you post the hunting and fishing seasons for the tribes you represent and maybe others you've worked for. It would be interesting to see.

[buglebrush]

Despite the assumptions posted here it blows my mind that anyone could defend the way "natives" are allowed to massacre wildlife off the Rez.   

[singleshot12]

  And even if there were seasons or rules for the tribes.the ones breaking the rules would not be held accountable. The fact is they do what they want.

[renrutbocaj]

It is a pretty simple google search to find the ones that are posted.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56f45574d51cd42551248613/t/57ab8cc0f5e231bb62467c61/1470860489894/June+2016+-+May+2019+Tribal+Hunting+and+Trapping+Regs.pdf

http://www.spokanetribe.com/userfiles/2016_Hunting_Season_Regulations.pdf

these are just a couple... they are online for public viewing. Its not hard to find this info if you just took the few minutes to look it up. 

Im not trying to defend anybody. I just know that there are just as many if not more non-tribals who are out there poaching, dumping trash, destroying habitat, etc.

[huntnphool]

 I've often wondered why so few people set the time on their cameras.

[jennabug]

To those blaming the tribes and natives without evidence, please back up your claims with something credible.  I see this thread as a way to add fuel to people's self-justified anger at natives.  Without any facts or evidence, it's all hearsay.  Someone who doesn't have the inspiration to look it up for themselves may take your claim as gospel, and jump to the same conclusion the next time they see someone in the field, and keep perpetuating the cycle.

I know there are some cases where natives have been caught, but I also know many stories of non-natives poaching and slaughtering wildlife.  So...?

If this is a real problem that you're passionate about, do something about it other than spreading rumors on the internet. 

[huntingfool7]

I've often wondered why so few people set the time on their cameras.

  If this had caught a poacher on film the video would be worthless. 

[JimmyHoffa]

To those blaming the tribes and natives without evidence, please back up your claims with something credible.  I see this thread as a way to add fuel to people's self-justified anger at natives.  Without any facts or evidence, it's all hearsay.  Someone who doesn't have the inspiration to look it up for themselves may take your claim as gospel, and jump to the same conclusion the next time they see someone in the field, and keep perpetuating the cycle.

I know there are some cases where natives have been caught, but I also know many stories of non-natives poaching and slaughtering wildlife.  So...?

If this is a real problem that you're passionate about, do something about it other than spreading rumors on the internet. 

Pretty sure WDFW doesn't investigate or stops once they suspect it will go nowhere because they won't be able to prosecute.  So, not really going to get much in the way of court case newspaper articles.  Pretty much just leaves 'unofficial' anecdotes.  Is what it is.

[pianoman9701]

"Unofficial anecdotes". That's one phrase for it. The OP has presented nothing but circumstantial evidence that the shot we heard at the end was made by a "Native". Conjecture and innuendo with no evidence could by many be seen as inflammatory at best and worst, racism. This thread has no redeeming value for our forum. It'll do nothing but pit us against each other.

[jennabug]

"Unofficial anecdotes". That's one phrase for it. The OP has presented nothing but circumstantial evidence that the shot we heard at the end was made by a "Native". Conjecture and innuendo with no evidence could by many be seen as inflammatory at best and worst, racism. This thread has no redeeming value for our forum. It'll do nothing but pit us against each other.

[buglebrush]

While I was still living in Idaho, I met a "Native" coming out of the mountains with 5 elk racks on his pack mule.  No meat, just fresh cut off heads with antlers.  This was in September, and he was packing a .300 Mag.  I turned it in to our game warden, and he told me he has tried many times to get that guy in trouble.  All he can do is turn him over to the tribal authority that does absolutely nothing to him.          

Like I said in my earlier post I don't support the unsupported accusations, but neither do I support any defense of the ridiculous rules that only apply to "Natives".   I maybe could respect them if they would get seriously involved in killing predators etc... rather than slaughtering elk during bow season with high powered rifles simply because their ancestors were mis-treated.  It's stupid.  Period.  Can you imagine if the rest of the world was this insane?  What if every Tribe in England that was invaded and conquered received this kind of special coddling?   Welsh, Norsemen, Saxons, Irish, Scottish, Normans, etc...  IMO if they are off the REZ they ought to be held accountable to the same rules as the rest of us!  Yes other people poach, but at least it is against the law and I hope every one of them get caught.  What is so infuriating about Natives is that they are above the laws.   

[pianoman9701]

No one is defending anyone's ridiculous rules. The OP made unsupported statements. We don't know who was chasing those animals. We don't even know when this movie was taken.

[renrutbocaj]

While I was still living in Idaho, I met a "Native" coming out of the mountains with 5 elk racks on his pack mule.  No meat, just fresh cut off heads with antlers.  This was in September, and he was packing a .300 Mag.  I turned it in to our game warden, and he told me he has tried many times to get that guy in trouble.  All he can do is turn him over to the tribal authority that does absolutely nothing to him.          

Like I said in my earlier post I don't support the unsupported accusations, but neither do I support any defense of the ridiculous rules that only apply to "Natives".   I maybe could respect them if they would get seriously involved in killing predators etc... rather than slaughtering elk during bow season with high powered rifles simply because their ancestors were mis-treated.  It's stupid.  Period.  Can you imagine if the rest of the world was this insane?  What if every Tribe in England that was invaded and conquered received this kind of special coddling?   Welsh, Norsemen, Saxons, Irish, Scottish, Normans, etc...  IMO if they are off the REZ they ought to be held accountable to the same rules as the rest of us!  Yes other people poach, but at least it is against the law and I hope every one of them get caught.  What is so infuriating about Natives is that they are above the laws.   

Im not sure about your comments "getting seriously involved in killing predators" Some of the Tribes have had and some still do have a bounty on Coyotes. Also the Tribes are the only ones in the State of Washington who are actively hunting wolves.... other than the WDFW, and the few that live by SSS.

It is unfortunate that some tribal members are able to get away with so much and could care less about the resources that we all depend on and love. However I would say for every 1 case like you mention, there is another 15-20 tribal hunters who are good stewards of the land and understand the importance of our resources to future generations.

[JimmyHoffa]

only ones hound hunting for cats

[OutHouse]

This is another non-starter topic that could have easily led to Native bashing. And I say that because that's the reality. Look at almost any thread where Natives have been brought up and it's Native bashing all day. I had to call one guy out who wanted to "reconquer the tribes" among a bunch of other ridiculous statements. It went on far too long before the thread was ended, locked, whatever.

What this comes down to is you have no evidence that Natives were involved at all yet that was the first assumption you made. Incredible. I live near the Yakama Reservation and have met many tribal hunters who are great stewards of their land and game populations. Sure there are a few bad apples but the vast majority are ethical and very involved with conservation.

[OutHouse]

Despite the assumptions posted here it blows my mind that anyone could defend the way "natives" are allowed to massacre wildlife off the Rez.   

They negotiated those rights when they were losing basically everything. I say good for them and if I had those rights I would never give them up. Fact of the matter is when it came time to sit down and make an arm's length deal they did an excellent job reserving the rights they already had under their tribal systems. The fact that they have more rights than us is our problem not theirs. We come from common law systems from England where all forests used to belong to the king and rules were numerous and burdensome. Us white dudes never fought back against that system so that we could have complete freedom with regard to hunting rights. Again, that is our problem not theirs.

[OutHouse]

"Unofficial anecdotes". That's one phrase for it. The OP has presented nothing but circumstantial evidence that the shot we heard at the end was made by a "Native". Conjecture and innuendo with no evidence could by many be seen as inflammatory at best and worst, racism. This thread has no redeeming value for our forum. It'll do nothing but pit us against each other.

You got that right. I have showed a couple friends and acquaintances this sight and urged them to join. They perused many threads for a while and when I followed them up they said they saw too much nonsense stuff that just turned them off. One described some things he read as "sophomoric drivel" (and he was a fairly conservative guy looking at Off Topics through my computer).

[pianoman9701]

"Unofficial anecdotes". That's one phrase for it. The OP has presented nothing but circumstantial evidence that the shot we heard at the end was made by a "Native". Conjecture and innuendo with no evidence could by many be seen as inflammatory at best and worst, racism. This thread has no redeeming value for our forum. It'll do nothing but pit us against each other.

You got that right. I have showed a couple friends and acquaintances this sight and urged them to join. They perused many threads for a while and when I followed them up they said they saw too much nonsense stuff that just turned them off. One described some things he read as "sophomoric drivel" (and he was a fairly conservative guy looking at Off Topics through my computer).

Off Topics is voluntary because of the controversial nature of the topics discussed. If you don't like it, opt out. I did and haven't missed it. The rest of this forum is a great resource with great people where great things have happened. You may not have participated in it long enough to witness this for yourself, but it's true. Then, there are threads like this. We have all kinds of hunters on HuntWA. Some are Native and like many of the rest of us, take great pride in hunting ethically and believe in the conservation of our wildlife resources. They're here because they wish to learn, contribute, and be part of something positive to do with hunting and be around other hunters. Native bashing, especially when it's done using nothing more than supposition and innuendo, is not only offensive and racist, it alienates some of our members. That sucks. Every hunter should feel welcome here. Threads like this make that impossible.

[OutHouse]

"Unofficial anecdotes". That's one phrase for it. The OP has presented nothing but circumstantial evidence that the shot we heard at the end was made by a "Native". Conjecture and innuendo with no evidence could by many be seen as inflammatory at best and worst, racism. This thread has no redeeming value for our forum. It'll do nothing but pit us against each other.

You got that right. I have showed a couple friends and acquaintances this sight and urged them to join. They perused many threads for a while and when I followed them up they said they saw too much nonsense stuff that just turned them off. One described some things he read as "sophomoric drivel" (and he was a fairly conservative guy looking at Off Topics through my computer).

Off Topics is voluntary because of the controversial nature of the topics discussed. If you don't like it, opt out. I did and haven't missed it. The rest of this forum is a great resource with great people where great things have happened. You may not have participated in it long enough to witness this for yourself, but it's true. Then, there are threads like this. We have all kinds of hunters on HuntWA. Some are Native and like many of the rest of us, take great pride in hunting ethically and believe in the conservation of our wildlife resources. They're here because they wish to learn, contribute, and be part of something positive to do with hunting and be around other hunters. Native bashing, especially when it's done using nothing more than supposition and innuendo, is not only offensive and racist, it alienates some of our members. That sucks. Every hunter should feel welcome here. Threads like this make that impossible.

Oh no I didn't mean to sound so negative. Let me correct the record. I have greatly benefited from this sight and have had members message me and share information of all kinds related to hunting. Maybe I should opt out of Off topics--didn't know that was something I could turn off.

[pianoman9701]

  Yes, you had to sign up for it originally. I think you can opt out within your profile. Thanks for clarification!

[buglebrush]

While I was still living in Idaho, I met a "Native" coming out of the mountains with 5 elk racks on his pack mule.  No meat, just fresh cut off heads with antlers.  This was in September, and he was packing a .300 Mag.  I turned it in to our game warden, and he told me he has tried many times to get that guy in trouble.  All he can do is turn him over to the tribal authority that does absolutely nothing to him.          

Like I said in my earlier post I don't support the unsupported accusations, but neither do I support any defense of the ridiculous rules that only apply to "Natives".   I maybe could respect them if they would get seriously involved in killing predators etc... rather than slaughtering elk during bow season with high powered rifles simply because their ancestors were mis-treated.  It's stupid.  Period.  Can you imagine if the rest of the world was this insane?  What if every Tribe in England that was invaded and conquered received this kind of special coddling?   Welsh, Norsemen, Saxons, Irish, Scottish, Normans, etc...  IMO if they are off the REZ they ought to be held accountable to the same rules as the rest of us!  Yes other people poach, but at least it is against the law and I hope every one of them get caught.  What is so infuriating about Natives is that they are above the laws.   

Im not sure about your comments "getting seriously involved in killing predators" Some of the Tribes have had and some still do have a bounty on Coyotes. Also the Tribes are the only ones in the State of Washington who are actively hunting wolves.... other than the WDFW, and the few that live by SSS.

It is unfortunate that some tribal members are able to get away with so much and could care less about the resources that we all depend on and love. However I would say for every 1 case like you mention, there is another 15-20 tribal hunters who are good stewards of the land and understand the importance of our resources to future generations.

I haven't seen or heard of Natives killing wolves or hound hunting cats.  If that is indeed happening I applaud their efforts, and retract some of my vehemence.  I realize that my view is forever impacted by what I witnessed, and those of you who have had positive experiences would natually see it differently.  However the fact remains that there is a portion of the population of this state that is out "Poaching" because they are completely above the law.  That isn't and will never be ok with me.   

[92xj]

While I was still living in Idaho, I met a "Native" coming out of the mountains with 5 elk racks on his pack mule.  No meat, just fresh cut off heads with antlers.  This was in September, and he was packing a .300 Mag.  I turned it in to our game warden, and he told me he has tried many times to get that guy in trouble.  All he can do is turn him over to the tribal authority that does absolutely nothing to him.          

Like I said in my earlier post I don't support the unsupported accusations, but neither do I support any defense of the ridiculous rules that only apply to "Natives".   I maybe could respect them if they would get seriously involved in killing predators etc... rather than slaughtering elk during bow season with high powered rifles simply because their ancestors were mis-treated.  It's stupid.  Period.  Can you imagine if the rest of the world was this insane?  What if every Tribe in England that was invaded and conquered received this kind of special coddling?   Welsh, Norsemen, Saxons, Irish, Scottish, Normans, etc...  IMO if they are off the REZ they ought to be held accountable to the same rules as the rest of us!  Yes other people poach, but at least it is against the law and I hope every one of them get caught.  What is so infuriating about Natives is that they are above the laws.   

Im not sure about your comments "getting seriously involved in killing predators" Some of the Tribes have had and some still do have a bounty on Coyotes. Also the Tribes are the only ones in the State of Washington who are actively hunting wolves.... other than the WDFW, and the few that live by SSS.

It is unfortunate that some tribal members are able to get away with so much and could care less about the resources that we all depend on and love. However I would say for every 1 case like you mention, there is another 15-20 tribal hunters who are good stewards of the land and understand the importance of our resources to future generations.

I haven't seen or heard of Natives killing wolves or hound hunting cats.  If that is indeed happening I applaud their efforts, and retract some of my vehemence.  I realize that my view is forever impacted by what I witnessed, and those of you who have had positive experiences would natually see it differently.  However the fact remains that there is a portion of the population of this state that is out "Poaching" because they are completely above the law.  That isn't and will never be ok with me.   

http://m.tribaltribune.com/news/article_fc9452fc-b00e-11e6-9e94-3f2bece5e94b.html?mode=jqm

[buglebrush]

While I was still living in Idaho, I met a "Native" coming out of the mountains with 5 elk racks on his pack mule.  No meat, just fresh cut off heads with antlers.  This was in September, and he was packing a .300 Mag.  I turned it in to our game warden, and he told me he has tried many times to get that guy in trouble.  All he can do is turn him over to the tribal authority that does absolutely nothing to him.          

Like I said in my earlier post I don't support the unsupported accusations, but neither do I support any defense of the ridiculous rules that only apply to "Natives".   I maybe could respect them if they would get seriously involved in killing predators etc... rather than slaughtering elk during bow season with high powered rifles simply because their ancestors were mis-treated.  It's stupid.  Period.  Can you imagine if the rest of the world was this insane?  What if every Tribe in England that was invaded and conquered received this kind of special coddling?   Welsh, Norsemen, Saxons, Irish, Scottish, Normans, etc...  IMO if they are off the REZ they ought to be held accountable to the same rules as the rest of us!  Yes other people poach, but at least it is against the law and I hope every one of them get caught.  What is so infuriating about Natives is that they are above the laws.   

Im not sure about your comments "getting seriously involved in killing predators" Some of the Tribes have had and some still do have a bounty on Coyotes. Also the Tribes are the only ones in the State of Washington who are actively hunting wolves.... other than the WDFW, and the few that live by SSS.

It is unfortunate that some tribal members are able to get away with so much and could care less about the resources that we all depend on and love. However I would say for every 1 case like you mention, there is another 15-20 tribal hunters who are good stewards of the land and understand the importance of our resources to future generations.

I haven't seen or heard of Natives killing wolves or hound hunting cats.  If that is indeed happening I applaud their efforts, and retract some of my vehemence.  I realize that my view is forever impacted by what I witnessed, and those of you who have had positive experiences would natually see it differently.  However the fact remains that there is a portion of the population of this state that is out "Poaching" because they are completely above the law.  That isn't and will never be ok with me.   

http://m.tribaltribune.com/news/article_fc9452fc-b00e-11e6-9e94-3f2bece5e94b.html?mode=jqm

Happy to see that!  My hat is off to them for this.

[fishnfur]

Not above the laws, just not subject to our laws.   

 Silly thread.  Accusations without evidence....