Hope he got away!

[OutHouse]

"Unofficial anecdotes". That's one phrase for it. The OP has presented nothing but circumstantial evidence that the shot we heard at the end was made by a "Native". Conjecture and innuendo with no evidence could by many be seen as inflammatory at best and worst, racism. This thread has no redeeming value for our forum. It'll do nothing but pit us against each other.

You got that right. I have showed a couple friends and acquaintances this sight and urged them to join. They perused many threads for a while and when I followed them up they said they saw too much nonsense stuff that just turned them off. One described some things he read as "sophomoric drivel" (and he was a fairly conservative guy looking at Off Topics through my computer).

[pianoman9701]

"Unofficial anecdotes". That's one phrase for it. The OP has presented nothing but circumstantial evidence that the shot we heard at the end was made by a "Native". Conjecture and innuendo with no evidence could by many be seen as inflammatory at best and worst, racism. This thread has no redeeming value for our forum. It'll do nothing but pit us against each other.

You got that right. I have showed a couple friends and acquaintances this sight and urged them to join. They perused many threads for a while and when I followed them up they said they saw too much nonsense stuff that just turned them off. One described some things he read as "sophomoric drivel" (and he was a fairly conservative guy looking at Off Topics through my computer).

Off Topics is voluntary because of the controversial nature of the topics discussed. If you don't like it, opt out. I did and haven't missed it. The rest of this forum is a great resource with great people where great things have happened. You may not have participated in it long enough to witness this for yourself, but it's true. Then, there are threads like this. We have all kinds of hunters on HuntWA. Some are Native and like many of the rest of us, take great pride in hunting ethically and believe in the conservation of our wildlife resources. They're here because they wish to learn, contribute, and be part of something positive to do with hunting and be around other hunters. Native bashing, especially when it's done using nothing more than supposition and innuendo, is not only offensive and racist, it alienates some of our members. That sucks. Every hunter should feel welcome here. Threads like this make that impossible.

[OutHouse]

"Unofficial anecdotes". That's one phrase for it. The OP has presented nothing but circumstantial evidence that the shot we heard at the end was made by a "Native". Conjecture and innuendo with no evidence could by many be seen as inflammatory at best and worst, racism. This thread has no redeeming value for our forum. It'll do nothing but pit us against each other.

You got that right. I have showed a couple friends and acquaintances this sight and urged them to join. They perused many threads for a while and when I followed them up they said they saw too much nonsense stuff that just turned them off. One described some things he read as "sophomoric drivel" (and he was a fairly conservative guy looking at Off Topics through my computer).

Off Topics is voluntary because of the controversial nature of the topics discussed. If you don't like it, opt out. I did and haven't missed it. The rest of this forum is a great resource with great people where great things have happened. You may not have participated in it long enough to witness this for yourself, but it's true. Then, there are threads like this. We have all kinds of hunters on HuntWA. Some are Native and like many of the rest of us, take great pride in hunting ethically and believe in the conservation of our wildlife resources. They're here because they wish to learn, contribute, and be part of something positive to do with hunting and be around other hunters. Native bashing, especially when it's done using nothing more than supposition and innuendo, is not only offensive and racist, it alienates some of our members. That sucks. Every hunter should feel welcome here. Threads like this make that impossible.

Oh no I didn't mean to sound so negative. Let me correct the record. I have greatly benefited from this sight and have had members message me and share information of all kinds related to hunting. Maybe I should opt out of Off topics--didn't know that was something I could turn off.

[pianoman9701]

  Yes, you had to sign up for it originally. I think you can opt out within your profile. Thanks for clarification!

[buglebrush]

While I was still living in Idaho, I met a "Native" coming out of the mountains with 5 elk racks on his pack mule.  No meat, just fresh cut off heads with antlers.  This was in September, and he was packing a .300 Mag.  I turned it in to our game warden, and he told me he has tried many times to get that guy in trouble.  All he can do is turn him over to the tribal authority that does absolutely nothing to him.          

Like I said in my earlier post I don't support the unsupported accusations, but neither do I support any defense of the ridiculous rules that only apply to "Natives".   I maybe could respect them if they would get seriously involved in killing predators etc... rather than slaughtering elk during bow season with high powered rifles simply because their ancestors were mis-treated.  It's stupid.  Period.  Can you imagine if the rest of the world was this insane?  What if every Tribe in England that was invaded and conquered received this kind of special coddling?   Welsh, Norsemen, Saxons, Irish, Scottish, Normans, etc...  IMO if they are off the REZ they ought to be held accountable to the same rules as the rest of us!  Yes other people poach, but at least it is against the law and I hope every one of them get caught.  What is so infuriating about Natives is that they are above the laws.   

Im not sure about your comments "getting seriously involved in killing predators" Some of the Tribes have had and some still do have a bounty on Coyotes. Also the Tribes are the only ones in the State of Washington who are actively hunting wolves.... other than the WDFW, and the few that live by SSS.

It is unfortunate that some tribal members are able to get away with so much and could care less about the resources that we all depend on and love. However I would say for every 1 case like you mention, there is another 15-20 tribal hunters who are good stewards of the land and understand the importance of our resources to future generations.

I haven't seen or heard of Natives killing wolves or hound hunting cats.  If that is indeed happening I applaud their efforts, and retract some of my vehemence.  I realize that my view is forever impacted by what I witnessed, and those of you who have had positive experiences would natually see it differently.  However the fact remains that there is a portion of the population of this state that is out "Poaching" because they are completely above the law.  That isn't and will never be ok with me.   

[92xj]

While I was still living in Idaho, I met a "Native" coming out of the mountains with 5 elk racks on his pack mule.  No meat, just fresh cut off heads with antlers.  This was in September, and he was packing a .300 Mag.  I turned it in to our game warden, and he told me he has tried many times to get that guy in trouble.  All he can do is turn him over to the tribal authority that does absolutely nothing to him.          

Like I said in my earlier post I don't support the unsupported accusations, but neither do I support any defense of the ridiculous rules that only apply to "Natives".   I maybe could respect them if they would get seriously involved in killing predators etc... rather than slaughtering elk during bow season with high powered rifles simply because their ancestors were mis-treated.  It's stupid.  Period.  Can you imagine if the rest of the world was this insane?  What if every Tribe in England that was invaded and conquered received this kind of special coddling?   Welsh, Norsemen, Saxons, Irish, Scottish, Normans, etc...  IMO if they are off the REZ they ought to be held accountable to the same rules as the rest of us!  Yes other people poach, but at least it is against the law and I hope every one of them get caught.  What is so infuriating about Natives is that they are above the laws.   

Im not sure about your comments "getting seriously involved in killing predators" Some of the Tribes have had and some still do have a bounty on Coyotes. Also the Tribes are the only ones in the State of Washington who are actively hunting wolves.... other than the WDFW, and the few that live by SSS.

It is unfortunate that some tribal members are able to get away with so much and could care less about the resources that we all depend on and love. However I would say for every 1 case like you mention, there is another 15-20 tribal hunters who are good stewards of the land and understand the importance of our resources to future generations.

I haven't seen or heard of Natives killing wolves or hound hunting cats.  If that is indeed happening I applaud their efforts, and retract some of my vehemence.  I realize that my view is forever impacted by what I witnessed, and those of you who have had positive experiences would natually see it differently.  However the fact remains that there is a portion of the population of this state that is out "Poaching" because they are completely above the law.  That isn't and will never be ok with me.   

http://m.tribaltribune.com/news/article_fc9452fc-b00e-11e6-9e94-3f2bece5e94b.html?mode=jqm

[buglebrush]

While I was still living in Idaho, I met a "Native" coming out of the mountains with 5 elk racks on his pack mule.  No meat, just fresh cut off heads with antlers.  This was in September, and he was packing a .300 Mag.  I turned it in to our game warden, and he told me he has tried many times to get that guy in trouble.  All he can do is turn him over to the tribal authority that does absolutely nothing to him.          

Like I said in my earlier post I don't support the unsupported accusations, but neither do I support any defense of the ridiculous rules that only apply to "Natives".   I maybe could respect them if they would get seriously involved in killing predators etc... rather than slaughtering elk during bow season with high powered rifles simply because their ancestors were mis-treated.  It's stupid.  Period.  Can you imagine if the rest of the world was this insane?  What if every Tribe in England that was invaded and conquered received this kind of special coddling?   Welsh, Norsemen, Saxons, Irish, Scottish, Normans, etc...  IMO if they are off the REZ they ought to be held accountable to the same rules as the rest of us!  Yes other people poach, but at least it is against the law and I hope every one of them get caught.  What is so infuriating about Natives is that they are above the laws.   

Im not sure about your comments "getting seriously involved in killing predators" Some of the Tribes have had and some still do have a bounty on Coyotes. Also the Tribes are the only ones in the State of Washington who are actively hunting wolves.... other than the WDFW, and the few that live by SSS.

It is unfortunate that some tribal members are able to get away with so much and could care less about the resources that we all depend on and love. However I would say for every 1 case like you mention, there is another 15-20 tribal hunters who are good stewards of the land and understand the importance of our resources to future generations.

I haven't seen or heard of Natives killing wolves or hound hunting cats.  If that is indeed happening I applaud their efforts, and retract some of my vehemence.  I realize that my view is forever impacted by what I witnessed, and those of you who have had positive experiences would natually see it differently.  However the fact remains that there is a portion of the population of this state that is out "Poaching" because they are completely above the law.  That isn't and will never be ok with me.   

http://m.tribaltribune.com/news/article_fc9452fc-b00e-11e6-9e94-3f2bece5e94b.html?mode=jqm

Happy to see that!  My hat is off to them for this.

[fishnfur]

Not above the laws, just not subject to our laws.   

 Silly thread.  Accusations without evidence....