illegal aliens and drivers licenses

[shotguunar]

This state gives non citizen illegal aliens drivers licenses right? Now can they walk into a license dealer and buy a hunting or fishing license deer tag elk tag etc. etc. at resident price. So when a washington state citizens family member comes over for a vacation he has to pay non resident prices for  hunting or fishing license just something to think about sounds like discrimination to me this state needs to get it together

[garrett89]

Already scary enough them driving. A few family members have been in accidents from illegals driving. And of course they don't have insurance so, people they hit are screwed and thy get a slap on the wrist. And for them to get hunting licenses? Are they able to purchase weapons legally? I don't know. Either way bad idea. I say full effect deportation policy.

[Skyvalhunter]

It would be nice if the state would not issue Drivers and Hunting/Fishing licenses to illegal aliens but then they would probably poach anyhow.

[Crunchy]

I saw on the news yesterday that the ACLU here in WA is trying to make Driving While License/Privilege Suspended not a crime any longer.  So not having a license is not a crime, suspended license not a crime, why get a license or ever pay a ticket.  Nothing would ever happen to you. 

[Stein]

I saw on the news yesterday that the ACLU here in WA is trying to make Driving While License/Privilege Suspended not a crime any longer.  So not having a license is not a crime, suspended license not a crime, why get a license or ever pay a ticket.  Nothing would ever happen to you.

Just give them immunity from everything.  Once you cross the line and pick and choose what laws you are going to enforce, you don't really have rule of law anymore anyway.

[BULLBLASTER]

And because of this we will all have to take a passport or get a enhanced drivers license to be able to fly next year.  kind of a pain if you have to regularly fly for work

[TONTO]

I saw on the news yesterday that the ACLU here in WA is trying to make Driving While License/Privilege Suspended not a crime any longer.  So not having a license is not a crime, suspended license not a crime, why get a license or ever pay a ticket.  Nothing would ever happen to you.

 Had a cousin visiting up from Utah last week. She was saying that in one of the "sanctuary cities" down there the "illegals" don't even bother putting plates on their cars, the police won't even pull them over, because nothing ever happens to them.

[huntingfool7]

Already scary enough them driving. A few family members have been in accidents from illegals driving. And of course they don't have insurance so, people they hit are screwed and thy get a slap on the wrist. And for them to get hunting licenses? Are they able to purchase weapons legally? I don't know. Either way bad idea. I say full effect deportation policy.

Getting weapons legally?  Does it matter?

The killer in this recent case is a felon that has been deported in the past!
http://www.kapptv.com/article/2017/jan/24/five-men-arrested-connection-grant-county-shooting/
Governor Jay Inslee is more concerned with the potential harassment of illegals than one random 31 year old woman killed by them.  He said so at a recent press conference!

[2labs]

I-82 between yakavegas and the Tri-Cities is a gauntlet of death, especially in the winter! Black ice and people going the opposite way on a hi way.
Glad too be out of there! Crazy!

[bigtex]

I saw on the news yesterday that the ACLU here in WA is trying to make Driving While License/Privilege Suspended not a crime any longer.  So not having a license is not a crime, suspended license not a crime, why get a license or ever pay a ticket.  Nothing would ever happen to you.

Driving without a DL is a crime (RCW 46.20.005)...

The state does need to figure something out with the Driving While License Suspended 3rd Degree (DWLS 3) charge. It is upsetting that between a quarter and a third of all misdemeanor and gross misdemeanor charges filed in courts in WA are DWLS 3 charges. DWLS 3 is essentially being suspended because you didn't pay a traffic citation. Those DWLS 3 cases are taking time away from prosecutors who could be prosecuting other crimes such as theft, trespass, and hey fish and wildlife cases!

The ACLU wants WA to decriminalize DWLS 3 and make it another traffic citation. Representative Hayes who is a Republican and Snohomish County Deputy has sponsored a bill that would require you to have two unpaid traffic citations before your license is suspended.

Just an idea of how ridiculous this is look at this. Spokane and Snohomish County Prosecutors probably are the worst in the state in terms of actually filing criminal charges. As an example, they hardly file fish and wildlife cases. But in order for the Snohomish County Prosecutor to file DWLS 3 charges the offender must have TEN unpaid traffic citations. Best part? This is on their own website...

[Crunchy]

Its only a crime if they have no valid ID on their person at the time of stop.  I am a little rusty on tickets, but that is my memory.

[JimmyHoffa]

I saw on the news yesterday that the ACLU here in WA is trying to make Driving While License/Privilege Suspended not a crime any longer.  So not having a license is not a crime, suspended license not a crime, why get a license or ever pay a ticket.  Nothing would ever happen to you.

Driving without a DL is a crime (RCW 46.20.005)...

The state does need to figure something out with the Driving While License Suspended 3rd Degree (DWLS 3) charge. It is upsetting that between a quarter and a third of all misdemeanor and gross misdemeanor charges filed in courts in WA are DWLS 3 charges. DWLS 3 is essentially being suspended because you didn't pay a traffic citation. Those DWLS 3 cases are taking time away from prosecutors who could be prosecuting other crimes such as theft, trespass, and hey fish and wildlife cases!

The ACLU wants WA to decriminalize DWLS 3 and make it another traffic citation. Representative Hayes who is a Republican and Snohomish County Deputy has sponsored a bill that would require you to have two unpaid traffic citations before your license is suspended.

Just an idea of how ridiculous this is look at this. Spokane and Snohomish County Prosecutors probably are the worst in the state in terms of actually filing criminal charges. As an example, they hardly file fish and wildlife cases. But in order for the Snohomish County Prosecutor to file DWLS 3 charges the offender must have TEN unpaid traffic citations. Best part? This is on their own website...

I notice that DWLS 3 is a common charge on the county jail roster.  Often being an additional charge, but sometimes being the sole charge.  Guy/gal picked up on Fri afternoon and locked up until Monday.

[garrett89]

I saw on the news yesterday that the ACLU here in WA is trying to make Driving While License/Privilege Suspended not a crime any longer.  So not having a license is not a crime, suspended license not a crime, why get a license or ever pay a ticket.  Nothing would ever happen to you.

Driving without a DL is a crime (RCW 46.20.005)...

The state does need to figure something out with the Driving While License Suspended 3rd Degree (DWLS 3) charge. It is upsetting that between a quarter and a third of all misdemeanor and gross misdemeanor charges filed in courts in WA are DWLS 3 charges. DWLS 3 is essentially being suspended because you didn't pay a traffic citation. Those DWLS 3 cases are taking time away from prosecutors who could be prosecuting other crimes such as theft, trespass, and hey fish and wildlife cases!

The ACLU wants WA to decriminalize DWLS 3 and make it another traffic citation. Representative Hayes who is a Republican and Snohomish County Deputy has sponsored a bill that would require you to have two unpaid traffic citations before your license is suspended.

Just an idea of how ridiculous this is look at this. Spokane and Snohomish County Prosecutors probably are the worst in the state in terms of actually filing criminal charges. As an example, they hardly file fish and wildlife cases. But in order for the Snohomish County Prosecutor to file DWLS 3 charges the offender must have TEN unpaid traffic citations. Best part? This is on their own website...

I notice that DWLS 3 is a common charge on the county jail roster.  Often being an additional charge, but sometimes being the sole charge.  Guy/gal picked up on Fri afternoon and locked up until Monday.

Silly to not have a DL to drive. Common sense and it's $25. I say up the charges because no one will insure a driver w/o a DL. No insurance is a separate but, the state needs to stop the non-sense. The no DL will only protect cheap bums and illegals who drive. Everyone else is screwed if someone without a DL hits them.

[Stein]

I saw on the news yesterday that the ACLU here in WA is trying to make Driving While License/Privilege Suspended not a crime any longer.  So not having a license is not a crime, suspended license not a crime, why get a license or ever pay a ticket.  Nothing would ever happen to you.

Driving without a DL is a crime (RCW 46.20.005)...

The state does need to figure something out with the Driving While License Suspended 3rd Degree (DWLS 3) charge. It is upsetting that between a quarter and a third of all misdemeanor and gross misdemeanor charges filed in courts in WA are DWLS 3 charges. DWLS 3 is essentially being suspended because you didn't pay a traffic citation. Those DWLS 3 cases are taking time away from prosecutors who could be prosecuting other crimes such as theft, trespass, and hey fish and wildlife cases!

The ACLU wants WA to decriminalize DWLS 3 and make it another traffic citation. Representative Hayes who is a Republican and Snohomish County Deputy has sponsored a bill that would require you to have two unpaid traffic citations before your license is suspended.

Just an idea of how ridiculous this is look at this. Spokane and Snohomish County Prosecutors probably are the worst in the state in terms of actually filing criminal charges. As an example, they hardly file fish and wildlife cases. But in order for the Snohomish County Prosecutor to file DWLS 3 charges the offender must have TEN unpaid traffic citations. Best part? This is on their own website...

I notice that DWLS 3 is a common charge on the county jail roster.  Often being an additional charge, but sometimes being the sole charge.  Guy/gal picked up on Fri afternoon and locked up until Monday.

Silly to not have a DL to drive. Common sense and it's $25. I say up the charges because no one will insure a driver w/o a DL. No insurance is a separate but, the state needs to stop the non-sense. The no DL will only protect cheap bums and illegals who drive. Everyone else is screwed if someone without a DL hits them.

They have a license, it is just suspended due to unpaid parking tickets.  This isn't the one where you don't have one for whatever reason (including an illegal immigrant).

[garrett89]

I saw on the news yesterday that the ACLU here in WA is trying to make Driving While License/Privilege Suspended not a crime any longer.  So not having a license is not a crime, suspended license not a crime, why get a license or ever pay a ticket.  Nothing would ever happen to you.

Driving without a DL is a crime (RCW 46.20.005)...

The state does need to figure something out with the Driving While License Suspended 3rd Degree (DWLS 3) charge. It is upsetting that between a quarter and a third of all misdemeanor and gross misdemeanor charges filed in courts in WA are DWLS 3 charges. DWLS 3 is essentially being suspended because you didn't pay a traffic citation. Those DWLS 3 cases are taking time away from prosecutors who could be prosecuting other crimes such as theft, trespass, and hey fish and wildlife cases!

The ACLU wants WA to decriminalize DWLS 3 and make it another traffic citation. Representative Hayes who is a Republican and Snohomish County Deputy has sponsored a bill that would require you to have two unpaid traffic citations before your license is suspended.

Just an idea of how ridiculous this is look at this. Spokane and Snohomish County Prosecutors probably are the worst in the state in terms of actually filing criminal charges. As an example, they hardly file fish and wildlife cases. But in order for the Snohomish County Prosecutor to file DWLS 3 charges the offender must have TEN unpaid traffic citations. Best part? This is on their own website...

I notice that DWLS 3 is a common charge on the county jail roster.  Often being an additional charge, but sometimes being the sole charge.  Guy/gal picked up on Fri afternoon and locked up until Monday.

Silly to not have a DL to drive. Common sense and it's $25. I say up the charges because no one will insure a driver w/o a DL. No insurance is a separate but, the state needs to stop the non-sense. The no DL will only protect cheap bums and illegals who drive. Everyone else is screwed if someone without a DL hits them.

They have a license, it is just suspended due to unpaid parking tickets.  This isn't the one where you don't have one for whatever reason (including an illegal immigrant).

Well someone should pay their $10-15 parking ticket (s) before increasing fees.

[pianoman9701]

Back to the original question: can an illegal immigrant buy a resident hunting license? Not unless they have graduated Hunter Education. In addition, they would only be able to hunt during ML or Archery because they can't legally purchase a firearm. In all of the classes I've taught, not once have I thought someone was or might have been an illegal alien. It would be extremely unusual (and probably stupid), for an illegal to voluntarily register for a government program.

[JimmyHoffa]

They could hunt in any season--Modern doesn't require the use of a rifle.

[pianoman9701]

They could hunt in any season--Modern doesn't require the use of a rifle.

You kind of missed the point. There aren't any illegals lining up to take Hunter Education. If they're hunting, they're "undocumented hunters".

[Stein]

Provided that the non-U.S. citizen was born after January 1, 1972, and successfully passed Hunter Education training, they can purchase a hunting license. If non-U.S. citizens meet residency requirements, they can buy resident licenses. If they do not meet residency requirements, they need to pay out of state fees.  Under RCW 9.41.175, nonimmigrant aliens may possess firearms in the U.S. if they possess a valid hunting license issued by a state.  See http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/nonimmigrant-aliens.html.

[Old Dog]

Back to the original question: can an illegal immigrant buy a resident hunting license? Not unless they have graduated Hunter Education. In addition, they would only be able to hunt during ML or Archery because they can't legally purchase a firearm. In all of the classes I've taught, not once have I thought someone was or might have been an illegal alien. It would be extremely unusual (and probably stupid), for an illegal to voluntarily register for a government program.

I used to teach Hunters ed. at the Federal Way Sportsman's.  In one of my classes there were several latino students signed up that could not speak or understand english very well.  The WDFW officer who was there helping me out, and I decided we needed to determine if these students should indeed be in our class.  Our main concern was whether they were allowed to handle the firearms, so we asked them to bring documentation, besides a drivers license, to the next class.  We never saw them again.  When I spoke with Hunter Ed in Olympia about the incident I was told that I was not allowed to ask that question.  In my opinion, yes, illegals will be able to buy hunting licenses as residents.   

[huntnphool]

They could hunt in any season--Modern doesn't require the use of a rifle.

You kind of missed the point. There aren't any illegals lining up to take Hunter Education. If they're hunting, they're "undocumented hunters".

 What about those born before 1973? What documentation do they show the DOL when getting a drivers license, couldn't they simply say they were born in 1972, I mean, who is going to verify it?

[pianoman9701]

I guess so. I just don't see them taking Hunter Education.  If they are, it's in such minute numbers as to not even register.

[Stein]

They could hunt in any season--Modern doesn't require the use of a rifle.

You kind of missed the point. There aren't any illegals lining up to take Hunter Education. If they're hunting, they're "undocumented hunters".

 What about those born before 1973? What documentation do they show the DOL when getting a drivers license, couldn't they simply say they were born in 1972, I mean, who is going to verify it?

The most common examples of documents that the department will accept include:

    certified birth certificates

    certain court papers

    foreign passports or driver's licenses

    refugee relief placement packets

You need at least one thing with your name and DOB.  You need at least one thing with your name and picture.  Altogether, if you don't have a passport or equivalent you need five total items with a photo, signature, address and/or date of birth.

If you don't have that, you can get a driver's license that isn't valid as an id.  Not sure if the guy at Walmart would run that for a hunting license or not.

If you are still confused, there are several free legal advisors to choose from.

[pianoman9701]

Yeah, this isn't an issue. All respects to the OP, it's like passing regulation legislation for something that could happen in the future. There's got to be a current problem before I'm going to get interested in finding a solution. I don't see this as being a current problem at all.

[bigtex]

I saw on the news yesterday that the ACLU here in WA is trying to make Driving While License/Privilege Suspended not a crime any longer.  So not having a license is not a crime, suspended license not a crime, why get a license or ever pay a ticket.  Nothing would ever happen to you.

Driving without a DL is a crime (RCW 46.20.005)...

The state does need to figure something out with the Driving While License Suspended 3rd Degree (DWLS 3) charge. It is upsetting that between a quarter and a third of all misdemeanor and gross misdemeanor charges filed in courts in WA are DWLS 3 charges. DWLS 3 is essentially being suspended because you didn't pay a traffic citation. Those DWLS 3 cases are taking time away from prosecutors who could be prosecuting other crimes such as theft, trespass, and hey fish and wildlife cases!

The ACLU wants WA to decriminalize DWLS 3 and make it another traffic citation. Representative Hayes who is a Republican and Snohomish County Deputy has sponsored a bill that would require you to have two unpaid traffic citations before your license is suspended.

Just an idea of how ridiculous this is look at this. Spokane and Snohomish County Prosecutors probably are the worst in the state in terms of actually filing criminal charges. As an example, they hardly file fish and wildlife cases. But in order for the Snohomish County Prosecutor to file DWLS 3 charges the offender must have TEN unpaid traffic citations. Best part? This is on their own website...

I notice that DWLS 3 is a common charge on the county jail roster.  Often being an additional charge, but sometimes being the sole charge.  Guy/gal picked up on Fri afternoon and locked up until Monday.

Silly to not have a DL to drive. Common sense and it's $25. I say up the charges because no one will insure a driver w/o a DL. No insurance is a separate but, the state needs to stop the non-sense. The no DL will only protect cheap bums and illegals who drive. Everyone else is screwed if someone without a DL hits them.

They have a license, it is just suspended due to unpaid parking tickets.  This isn't the one where you don't have one for whatever reason (including an illegal immigrant).

Unpaid parking tickets won't result in a license being suspended.

[huntnphool]

I saw on the news yesterday that the ACLU here in WA is trying to make Driving While License/Privilege Suspended not a crime any longer.  So not having a license is not a crime, suspended license not a crime, why get a license or ever pay a ticket.  Nothing would ever happen to you.

Driving without a DL is a crime (RCW 46.20.005)...

The state does need to figure something out with the Driving While License Suspended 3rd Degree (DWLS 3) charge. It is upsetting that between a quarter and a third of all misdemeanor and gross misdemeanor charges filed in courts in WA are DWLS 3 charges. DWLS 3 is essentially being suspended because you didn't pay a traffic citation. Those DWLS 3 cases are taking time away from prosecutors who could be prosecuting other crimes such as theft, trespass, and hey fish and wildlife cases!

The ACLU wants WA to decriminalize DWLS 3 and make it another traffic citation. Representative Hayes who is a Republican and Snohomish County Deputy has sponsored a bill that would require you to have two unpaid traffic citations before your license is suspended.

Just an idea of how ridiculous this is look at this. Spokane and Snohomish County Prosecutors probably are the worst in the state in terms of actually filing criminal charges. As an example, they hardly file fish and wildlife cases. But in order for the Snohomish County Prosecutor to file DWLS 3 charges the offender must have TEN unpaid traffic citations. Best part? This is on their own website...

 They want to change the law because the current law discriminately affects "the poor".

 They say that poor people that get traffic tickets can't pay the fines and therefore have their licenses revoked at a disproportionately higher rate, therefore the law needs to be changed so these people can commit as many traffic violations without consequence.