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What part of the Lamar Valley?
I hate to rehash what has been rehashed on here, again, and again, and again, but here is what I am learning: -That we ought to violate the law when we disagree with wildlife policy or its outcome, and furthermore, whenever we are given the opportunity.-That (apparently) wolves are moral agents instead of just another carnivore species, and therefore deserve not just death, but a miserable one. Clearly they do not even deserve the protections against cruelty that we extend to the murderers among our own species. -That there is no place, not even in the Lamar Valley, in a fairly extensive National Park, where a timeless process of predator and prey can persist. No compromise.
if you have not drawn a moose permit yet your opportunity of ever hunting moose in WA is fading.
I think some wolves in the park would be great if they didn't decimate the moose almost entirely from existence and decimate the elk population to the point that there are no late seasons for hunters outside the park. A managed population of wolves would even be acceptable in wilderness areas outside the park. But the wolf lovers have forced unmanaged numbers of wolves everywhere, the only limiting factor of wolf numbers is when they run out of animals to kill, so I have to say no to wolves, not because of the wolf, but because of the wolf lovers who are using the wolf to accomplish their goal of stopping hunting.Thankfully wolves are now being hunted in three states and many of those state's impacted game herds are rebounding. Unfortunately, Washington will likely never manage wolves, I can tell you from my lifetime of watching the moose population in NE Washington, if you have not drawn a moose permit yet your opportunity of ever hunting moose in WA is fading. I now see more wolf tracks and scat in Washington than in Idaho and our moose are being turned into wolf scat! Many moose hunters are having a hard time finding a legal moose to shoot when they do draw a tag.
I hate to rehash what has been rehashed on here, again, and again, and again, but here is what I am learning: -That we ought to violate the law when we disagree with wildlife policy or its outcome, and furthermore, whenever we are given the opportunity.-That (apparently) wolves are moral agents instead of just another carnivore species, and therefore deserve not just death, but a miserable one. Clearly they do not even deserve the protections against cruelty that we extend to the murderers among our own species. -That there is no place, not even in the Lamar Valley, in a fairly extensive National Park, where a timeless process of predator and prey can persist. No compromise. These are sad lessons. I wish more of us could see the power and awe in what Cbond is sharing with us, even if it is admittedly a harsh reality of the natural world. This is a snapshot of the millennial processes that made elk (and all other species of deer, and many more beyond) the incredibly tough, wary, and athletic game animals that we admire and pursue. For the record, I am for wolf management. Including lethal options. Including pack removal if a particular pack is problematic. Including regulated harvest of them as a challenging game animal. Heck, even the trapping of them as a furbearer (the Shoshone of the Northern Rockies wore a good bit of wolf fur during the winter!). Even fully excluding them from sizable areas of the West to prioritize game animal production and ranching. And I am sorry if all of that is not enough for some. And I apologize if this comes across as a rant- it is not intended to be. But I was raised to speak my beliefs, and I hope even those who disagree with me will take it as respectfully done.
Quote from: elkboy on February 27, 2017, 08:33:28 AMI hate to rehash what has been rehashed on here, again, and again, and again, but here is what I am learning: -That we ought to violate the law when we disagree with wildlife policy or its outcome, and furthermore, whenever we are given the opportunity.-That (apparently) wolves are moral agents instead of just another carnivore species, and therefore deserve not just death, but a miserable one. Clearly they do not even deserve the protections against cruelty that we extend to the murderers among our own species. -That there is no place, not even in the Lamar Valley, in a fairly extensive National Park, where a timeless process of predator and prey can persist. No compromise. These are sad lessons. I wish more of us could see the power and awe in what Cbond is sharing with us, even if it is admittedly a harsh reality of the natural world. This is a snapshot of the millennial processes that made elk (and all other species of deer, and many more beyond) the incredibly tough, wary, and athletic game animals that we admire and pursue. For the record, I am for wolf management. Including lethal options. Including pack removal if a particular pack is problematic. Including regulated harvest of them as a challenging game animal. Heck, even the trapping of them as a furbearer (the Shoshone of the Northern Rockies wore a good bit of wolf fur during the winter!). Even fully excluding them from sizable areas of the West to prioritize game animal production and ranching. And I am sorry if all of that is not enough for some. And I apologize if this comes across as a rant- it is not intended to be. But I was raised to speak my beliefs, and I hope even those who disagree with me will take it as respectfully done.You are obviously unaware of what wolves have done to the elk and especially the moose population in and around Yellowstone. My dad owned the filling station in Gardiner and my grandfather was a lifelong resident of Livingston and I have spent a lot of time in Yellowstone, my sister was born in the park at the hospital. What the wolves have been allowed to do to the population of elk and moose is a crime. I AGREE 100%
And I will do this for bull blaster sss but only if they are out of the park and you have a tag of course.
