Bull Elk Wolf Kill- Yellowstone

[JDHasty]

The wolves need to be thinned out in Yellowstone! Plain and simple as that there are way to many, go ahead call me selfish but I'll put my big game animals above any predator! Wait until it's calving and fawn season and you'll see a lot of fat wolves . Bringing a apex predator and NOT controlling the population of that predator is asking for trouble and they got it 

The sheep herders and cattle ranchers cleared them out back in the day using Ten Dead Horses & strychnine, but in the process killed damn near every domestic dog, scavenger and bird of prey and meat eating bird like crows and magpies in the entire region. 

[cbond3318]

2 years ago between Soda Butte and the outhouses at Hitching Post we watched a wolf chase an antelope and fawn all over the hill side.  After she was all tired out she trotted along the hillside about 75 yds away from us.  Got some cool pics that day.

I bet! We had a fox, presumably cruising to the wolf kill, cross within 40 yds.

[JDHasty]

It gives me the Heebie Jeebies just thinking about it, and it's been a long, long time since I have been around the stuff.  I don't think you can buy it any more, it was so bad that it came in a can, inside another can.  Like a half pint paint can, inside a quart can.  It took a lot of working up to it just to open the can.  I have known people to damn near toss their breakfast just thinking about what was coming when they uncorked it. 

[cbond3318]

I spent some time today pondering this thread and the comments it has garnered. In my career, I deal with a lot of disputes, disagreements and Conflicts. What I have learned is the times that a dispute is resolved in a positive manner with both parties leaving the table feeling they have gotten enough of what they needed to feel satisfied, is when you are able to respect and appreciate where the other side is coming from. This has always ended positively. The times it can't be resolved occurs when one party, or both, isn't able too and not willing too , understand the others wants and needs.

The statements made to kill them all, poison them into non existence, poach them into oblivion, does nothing to show an understanding and appreciation of the other side. I think as sportsman , Ambassadors of land and creature, we should have at least a sliver of respect and appreciation for all creatures and not allow our anger with the human side of the problem come out ( publicly and too a vast audience) as hatred towards something we claim in the same breath too love and respect (the creatures that inhabitant this land).

Whether you believe there is a place for wolves or not, there should be a continuity in the appreciation of all things nature. I believe any valid and worthy points to be made in the dispute are lost with inconsistency.

Yes, wolves are a problem. Yes, wolves need proper management. Yes, the Wildlife agencies have failed Grossly in many ways. Yes, I would notch a wolf tag every given chance.

I will always be in awe of nature period. I will always appreciate and respect every aspect of nature and the circle it creates. I will always hunt and do my part in the circle. My children will be taught these same things and I hope their eyes get as big as mine when they lay witness to the amazing sights to be had. 

[pianoman9701]

Don't get so worked up over it.   They're just venting off some steam at what's happening to our moose, elk and deer in Washington from gross mismanagement.  We usually just see the aftermath though; our moose, elk and deer are being reduced to scat, no......parasite carrying scat, that will effect the rest of the herd indirectly, and possibly our pets and some people as well.


No one on HW wants to anthropomorphize wolves and wish them a slow miserable death as some kind of crime for their evil existence, I don't blame the wolf.  I blame the people who forced them upon us and in such large numbers.  The wolf just is, and just being isn't a crime.

We all hate what the wolf plan is accomplishing. However, I object to many of the posts in this thread. I don't object because I anthropomorphize wolves. I object because those comments make hunters look bad to the general public. The OP posted these pictures as an example of what happens in the Yellowstone ecosystem, good or bad. It's turned into something completely different. I respectfully request that the mods delete any comments which promote illegal activities, as per forum rules.

[syoungs]

Well said Cbond.

If we could somehow get the game agency in this state to actually do their job and manage the wolf population, the effects of wolves would not garner the reactions that they do now.

on the extreme sides of both arguments we have kill them all in any fashion, and don't harm a single wolf, ever, period.

that type of mindset is prohibitive to growth as a culture, imho.

[ctwiggs1]

Don't get so worked up over it.   They're just venting off some steam at what's happening to our moose, elk and deer in Washington from gross mismanagement.  We usually just see the aftermath though; our moose, elk and deer are being reduced to scat, no......parasite carrying scat, that will effect the rest of the herd indirectly, and possibly our pets and some people as well.


No one on HW wants to anthropomorphize wolves and wish them a slow miserable death as some kind of crime for their evil existence, I don't blame the wolf.  I blame the people who forced them upon us and in such large numbers.  The wolf just is, and just being isn't a crime.

We all hate what the wolf plan is accomplishing. However, I object to many of the posts in this thread. I don't object because I anthropomorphize wolves. I object because those comments make hunters look bad to the general public. The OP posted these pictures as an example of what happens in the Yellowstone ecosystem, good or bad. It's turned into something completely different. I respectfully request that the mods delete any comments which promote illegal activities, as per forum rules.

 

[JDHasty]

I don't have a problem w/a few wolves being around, but the the "friends of wolves" are never going to be satisfied with anything less than the wolves becoming a major problem for everybody.  That is just how they roll.  The issue is that there are no longer millions of bison roaming the Great Plains for wolves to feed on and their numbers need to be strictly controlled or their population will spin out of control and they will wipe out entire game populations.   

[pianoman9701]

I don't have a problem w/a few wolves being around, but the the "friends of wolves" are never going to be satisfied with anything less than the wolves becoming a major problem for everybody.  That is just how they roll.  The issue is that there are no longer millions of bison roaming the Great Plains for wolves to feed on and their numbers need to be strictly controlled or their population will spin out of control and they will wipe out entire game populations.

I don't disagree. I also oppose breaking the rules of the forum by posting those things which cast a bad light on hunting in general. You want to poach? Don't talk about it in the forum. I'm not talking about trying to win over the friends of wolves. I'm talking about not alienating the other 90+% of the population by making them think that all hunters are lawless and maybe don't deserve their support to continue doing what we do.

[JakeLand]

I don't have a problem w/a few wolves being around, but the the "friends of wolves" are never going to be satisfied with anything less than the wolves becoming a major problem for everybody.  That is just how they roll.  The issue is that there are no longer millions of bison roaming the Great Plains for wolves to feed on and their numbers need to be strictly controlled or their population will spin out of control and they will wipe out entire game populations.

Exactly!!! Look at what has happened in Yellowstone and look at what is happening here ! How much of our recovering moose population is left ? Lowland caribou?

[syoungs]

I don't have a problem w/a few wolves being around, but the the "friends of wolves" are never going to be satisfied with anything less than the wolves becoming a major problem for everybody.  That is just how they roll.  The issue is that there are no longer millions of bison roaming the Great Plains for wolves to feed on and their numbers need to be strictly controlled or their population will spin out of control and they will wipe out entire game populations.

I don't disagree. I also oppose breaking the rules of the forum by posting those things which cast a bad light on hunting in general. You want to poach? Don't talk about it in the forum. I'm not talking about trying to win over the friends of wolves. I'm talking about not alienating the other 90+% of the population by making them think that all hunters are lawless and maybe don't deserve their support to continue doing what we do.

Well said!

[wolfbait]

I don't have a problem w/a few wolves being around, but the the "friends of wolves" are never going to be satisfied with anything less than the wolves becoming a major problem for everybody.  That is just how they roll.  The issue is that there are no longer millions of bison roaming the Great Plains for wolves to feed on and their numbers need to be strictly controlled or their population will spin out of control and they will wipe out entire game populations.

That's pretty much what the USFWS/WDFW etc want, then bring in the grizzly bears to shut down access to public lands-mission accomplished.

Sad part about WDFW's agenda is there isn't a whole lot anyone can do about it, my advise to those on this forum is to leave their emotions out of the issue, save it for talking with folks privately. On the other hand I highly doubt putting down in words, ways to take care of wolves would somehow hurt WA anymore then WDFW and their wolves already have, it sure isn't going to change the end game. But if you do have plans in that direction you sure don't want the added attention, and then there are the forum rules, which pretty much rule.....

Short preview:

The USFWS dump wolves into the Yellowstone and Idaho illegally and then protect them as they slaughter the game herds, WDFW watch the slaughter for several years and then follow suit. Folks watch as WA ungulates decrease in huge numbers, and try to keep their livestock from ending up in the same slaughter while WDFW sit around with their thumbs up their--- refusing to confirm wolf packs unless forced to do so through livestock predation.

So who are the real poachers?

Study of wolves' effects on other wildlife
gets underway in eastern Washington

http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/feb1517b/

[Skyvalhunter]

Here we go again on the WDFW page at the end it stated "and $150,000 of WDFW funds" so yes we are helping to pay to study the wolves once again.

[JakeLand]

This is just one more reason why people that live in Montana and Idaho have rifles in gun racks in their vehicles

[JDHasty]

This is just one more reason why people that live in Montana and Idaho have rifles in gun racks in their vehicles

Like I said up thread, my cousin in Montana has been loosing two year old replacement heifers this year to wolves.  He had a neighbor who shot a grizzly bear that was under his front porch of his home and that cost him about $50K in attorney fees.