The Damage Wolves Are Inflicting On America

[jackelope]

jackelope, the rally you showed the photo of was in WY, I recognize the photo! Thank you for supporting my comment! 

Read the caption.
"Wolf rallies around the country show that those "Against Wolves" out number those "For Wolves" typically 8 or 9 to 1."
At the wolf rally, people hate wolves. Makes sense that there wouldn't be an overwhelming population of wolf lovers at the anti wolf rallies in the anti wolf counties in the anti wolf states.

[buglebrush]

jackelope, the rally you showed the photo of was in WY, I recognize the photo! Thank you for supporting my comment! 

Read the caption.
"Wolf rallies around the country show that those "Against Wolves" out number those "For Wolves" typically 8 or 9 to 1."
At the wolf rally, people hate wolves. Makes sense that there wouldn't be an overwhelming population of wolf lovers at the anti wolf rallies in the anti wolf counties in the anti wolf states.

I don't know what is so confusing about that statement.  He is saying that" based on wolf rally numbers for and against wolves.  BOTH kinds of rallies.  The number of protesters outnumber those in favor 8 or 9 to 1.   

[bearpaw]

jackelope, the rally you showed the photo of was in WY, I recognize the photo! Thank you for supporting my comment! 

Read the caption.
"Wolf rallies around the country show that those "Against Wolves" out number those "For Wolves" typically 8 or 9 to 1."
At the wolf rally, people hate wolves. Makes sense that there wouldn't be an overwhelming population of wolf lovers at the anti wolf rallies in the anti wolf counties in the anti wolf states.

I don't know that 8 to 1 of all people in every state including WY, MT, ID, UT, NV, NM, AZ, MI, WI, MN, NC will oppose wolves, but I'm willing to make a sizeable bet that the majority in most of these states and at least most counties in these states are opposed to wolves and these states are literally all over the US!   

[jackelope]

jackelope, the rally you showed the photo of was in WY, I recognize the photo! Thank you for supporting my comment! 

Read the caption.
"Wolf rallies around the country show that those "Against Wolves" out number those "For Wolves" typically 8 or 9 to 1."
At the wolf rally, people hate wolves. Makes sense that there wouldn't be an overwhelming population of wolf lovers at the anti wolf rallies in the anti wolf counties in the anti wolf states.

I don't know what is so confusing about that statement.  He is saying that" based on wolf rally numbers for and against wolves.  BOTH kinds of rallies.  The number of protesters outnumber those in favor 8 or 9 to 1.   

I guess I'm missing the for AND against part.
I'll go read again and see where it clarifies that.

[bearpaw]

jackelope, the rally you showed the photo of was in WY, I recognize the photo! Thank you for supporting my comment! 

Read the caption.
"Wolf rallies around the country show that those "Against Wolves" out number those "For Wolves" typically 8 or 9 to 1."
At the wolf rally, people hate wolves. Makes sense that there wouldn't be an overwhelming population of wolf lovers at the anti wolf rallies in the anti wolf counties in the anti wolf states.

I don't know what is so confusing about that statement.  He is saying that" based on wolf rally numbers for and against wolves.  BOTH kinds of rallies.  The number of protesters outnumber those in favor 8 or 9 to 1.   

  you are correct

[Bob33]

Stereotyping and marginalizing those who don’t live in areas with wolf populations, even those who are opposed to them, seems like a poor way to wage a battle against wolves. But then again when 9 of 10 people are opposed to wolves who needs them anyway.

[Curly]

I'm sure that second amendment rallies around the country show that those 4 guns outnumber those against guns 9 - 1

[KFhunter]

Lot of anger in wolf impact areas, only way to get anything changed is to make a lot of noise.

[bearpaw]

Stereotyping and marginalizing those who don’t live in areas with wolf populations, even those who are opposed to them, seems like a poor way to wage a battle against wolves. But then again when 9 of 10 people are opposed to wolves who needs them anyway.

I'm not really understanding your comment, I clearly made a statement that I am not trying to do that, if you didn't understand then you certainly have my apologies for not being more clear. See below from page 1 of this topic, I was afraid someone would take this personal! 

I have a really hard time with an article that starts with a statement that those against wolves" outnumber "those for wolves" 8 or 9 to 1. Although I wish that were the case, that's just not true and is likely the other way around and more like 15 or 20 -1. About 96% of the population are non-hunters. Most of those people don't know about or understand the reasons people are anti-wolf. They are the uninformed public and represent a large majority who think wolves are "majestic", "cuddly like our dog", "a necessary part of a balanced ecosystem" or "would be cool to see and hear in the wild".

I'm no pro-wolfer but if you want your argument to be at all credible, you have to start by telling the truth. This website doesn't do that 100% of the time and leaves people who forward its information open to ridicule.

The ratio of people opposed to wolves depends where you live! In NE WA counties (Stevens, Ferry, Pend Oreille, Okanogan) I'd be willing to bet 75% are opposed to wolves. Where my son lives in Idaho I'll bet it's 90% opposed to wolves. I think the author lives in NW Montana, it's very likely 90% opposed to wolves in his county. This is the reason many people in E WA would like to be separated from W WA. 


Just to clarify, my comment is not pointed against friends and hunters in W WA, the comment is directed toward the pegetropolis liberal majority who want NE WA to live with wolves but don't want wolves in their own backyard.

[KFhunter]

I'm sure that second amendment rallies around the country show that those 4 guns outnumber those against guns 9 - 1

Missed the point.

There are anti-gun rallies and marches,  compare those numbers to people holding 2a rallies and marches. 

Don't go to a 2a rally and take a poll and thing it means something.

[Curly]

Okay I see what you're saying now. I probably shouldn't try reading and definitely not posting while stuck in traffic in Pugetropolis.

[KFhunter]

I've only been half paying attention myself 

[pianoman9701]

Dale I wasn't saying there aren't places where wolves are hated by most of the people. But the article is inflammatory and doesn't say that. Misinforming the readers that anti-wolf is 8 or 9 to over pro-wolf is stupid. I live in W.WA and I support delisting. I support the Stevens Co. Cattleman's Assn. I support smoke a pack a day. I oppose the outrageous wolf plan and always have. But I also know that reality means that a vast majority of people in this state are pro-wolf. Ignoring that won't help when trying to fight the system which put them in place.

We lost the fight when the 15 bps wolf plan came out P-man, the only thing that could possible change the wolf problem in WA today is it the USFWS delisted wolves in every state. WDF&wolves along with their fake environmental partners would still try to play the wolves as endangered game, but federal money for the wolf program would disappear. Penalties for shooting wolves would be far less abusive etc..

As far as the people for or against wolves, time seems to clarify truth, and as more people realize they were lied to about wolves their attitudes are changing. On the other hand there will always be those who will follow a farce to further an agenda.

If you got all bound up over whether Toby meant the whole country hate wolves or those at the wolf rallies, maybe you should stay away from such "inflammatory" Topics.

Either way, it's a ridiculous statement. Distance yourself from BS and you'll be more credible.

Seems to me you are trying your darnedest to discredit Toby, I wonder why? Blabber on..........

I'm not trying to discredit Toby. I don't even know him. I'm trying to elevate the conversation to a level that isn't only supported by anti-wolf people. This article as it is will have no positive effect on convincing pro-wolfers that action needs to be taken, like yesterday. If your conversation only speaks to you, why even have it? Fanatics or those who come off as fanatics rarely get their message across to anyone who's not already in their camp. If this conversation doesn't reach those outside our group, it's completely ineffective.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

The Damage Wolves Are Inflicting On America

http://www.lobowatch2.com/wolf-impact-1

Here, compare that picture to this one. You know what this one isn't? It isn't a wolf kill, but a winter kill from this year on Kodiak.  It's a good chance that the photo from Lobo Watch is also a winter kill.  But it doesn't matter. Life in the wilderness is tough and there are a lot of ways to die.  Once something dies, it gets cleaned up by whatever creatures come along. I found a dead deer on Afognak Is.,(part of the Kodiak group) that looked to be laying in it's bed sleeping. When I got close I could see a small hole in it's stomach where an ermine had eaten it's way inside and eaten a bunch of the inner organs.  Birds feeding on a carcass leave it looking like this one or the one Lobo watch posted. Wolves and other large carnivores usually tear the carcass apart.  Estimates coming from Kodiak this winter are that there has been a 25% or higher die off due to a bad winter, and much higher in some areas of the west side of the island.