Poll- non magnifying scopes on muzzle loaders?

[elkboy]

Dan-O, that's a really fair point.  I would support 1x glass for hunters beyond a certain age.  What is your take on a good age limit that would create a more equitable situation between younger and older hunters? 

[Oh Mah]

Kinda weird to see all the anti regulation people standing up and advocating for the regs we have and even some pushing for more,All while in other threads complaining about to many rules and regs so many you need an attorney to figure out in some cases.some push for size some for round count,optics,electronics,baiting no baiting,is this legal is that legal etc etc etc.                 Make up your minds 

[Jonathan_S]

Dan-O, that's a really fair point.  I would support 1x glass for hunters beyond a certain age.  What is your take on a good age limit that would create a more equitable situation between younger and older hunters?

That would be nice for them. Next though it would be people of all ages with poor vision wanting the same benefit. They'd have a point too.

[Oh Mah]

  Everyone has a point!

[lazydrifter]

I'm 57.  Eyes are slowly going.  Got back into muzzleloaders last year.   Am having a hard time seeing the sights.  Put my glasses on I can see the sights but not the target.  Would love to use a non magnifying scope. 

[trophyhunt]

I'm 57.  Eyes are slowly going.  Got back into muzzleloaders last year.   Am having a hard time seeing the sights.  Put my glasses on I can see the sights but not the target.  Would love to use a non magnifying scope.

and I would love for you to have that option! 

[Bob33]

Someone who extreme vision issues could quality as having disabilities which allows greater options:

http://wdfw.wa.gov/accessibility/requirements_status.html
Visual Impairment Qualifications:

- Blindness is a central visual acuity that does not exceed 20/200 in the better eye with corrective lenses, or the widest diameter of the visual field does not exceed twenty degrees, or

- Low Vision is a severe loss of visual acuity ranging from 20/70 to 20/200 while retaining some visual function, or

- Visual impairments may include, but are not limited to: Albinism, Aniridia, Aphakia, Cataracts, Glaucoma, Macular Degeneration, or other similar diagnosed permanent disease or disorder.

[Jonathan_S]

Everyone has a point!

So you know, we are in disagreement on the issue

[Soady]

Thanks Bob. I was looking for that link and just couldn't find it. Two years ago I helped a senior hunter who was hunting muzzleloader season with a scoped muzzleloader, he explained to me he secured the permit with his doctors testimony.

[jstone]

I am all for helping the senior hunters and handy capped. IF they have the Dr. approval.

[Soady]

What diff. would it make?None except maybe better shot placement,ID of quarry.You can say get closer fine,you can say get better fine you can say all kinds of stuff that doesn't matter.the fact is for some it doesn't matter.There are hunters that will take the shot with or without the scope.whether they are sure its a 3 point or not.

If that is your arguement why would muzzleloaders want to incorporate that user group into the fold by changing a regulation to allow the use of a scoped muzzleloader in that season?

[Dan-o]

Someone who extreme vision issues could quality as having disabilities which allows greater options:

http://wdfw.wa.gov/accessibility/requirements_status.html
Visual Impairment Qualifications:

- Blindness is a central visual acuity that does not exceed 20/200 in the better eye with corrective lenses, or the widest diameter of the visual field does not exceed twenty degrees, or

- Low Vision is a severe loss of visual acuity ranging from 20/70 to 20/200 while retaining some visual function, or

- Visual impairments may include, but are not limited to: Albinism, Aniridia, Aphakia, Cataracts, Glaucoma, Macular Degeneration, or other similar diagnosed permanent disease or disorder.

Thanks for this, Bob.

I wonder if I'd qualify.

I can still focus on deer at 400-500 yards through my rifle scope, but just can't focus on the sights and the elk with my muzzleloader.

I'd love to be able to put a 1X scope on my muzzy.

[Oh Mah]

Everyone has a point!

So you know, we are in disagreement on the issue

we sure are,but you will surely debate in another thread someday with opposite ideals as you are now, arguing the same as i am here.

[Oh Mah]

What diff. would it make?None except maybe better shot placement,ID of quarry.You can say get closer fine,you can say get better fine you can say all kinds of stuff that doesn't matter.the fact is for some it doesn't matter.There are hunters that will take the shot with or without the scope.whether they are sure its a 3 point or not.

If that is your arguement why would muzzleloaders want to incorporate that user group into the fold by changing a regulation to allow the use of a scoped muzzleloader in that season?

I'm sorry but nothing in your statement here is making any sense at all.you dont want better shot placement with a muzzy?who joins the user group muzzy hunters is not up to you or me,if a less than admirable hunter goes muzzy hunting and tries to shoot 300 yards whether he can or cant see makes no diff.you act like having or not having a scope will change whether a person will or wont take the shot anyway.

[bobcat]

If you can't focus on your sights put a peep sight on your muzzleloader. Also limit your shots to about 75 yards. The intent of the muzzleloader season is to allow people to hunt with a primitive rifle. If you want a scoped muzzleloader you're free to hunt the modern firearm season.