Next Wolf Advisory Group meeting 3/29-3/30

[jackelope]

Hello Wolf Advisory Group members and Interested Parties:

 

A reminder that our next WAG meeting is scheduled for March 29-30, 2017 at the Doubletree Inn located in downtown Olympia (http://doubletree3.hilton.com/en/hotels/washington/doubletree-by-hilton-hotel-olympia-OLMCWDT/index.html).  There will be an open-house style public input period from 9:30-11:30am on March 29 prior to the WAG meeting.  The public input from that session will be passed along to WAG members during their work session later that afternoon.  The official WAG work session is from 11:45am to 5:30pm on March 29 and 7:00am to 3:00pm on March 30.  All WAG events are open to the public.

 

Please see the attached meeting agenda. 

 

Thank you,

Donny Martorello

 

____________________________________

Donny Martorello, Ph.D.

Wolf Policy Lead

Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife

[villageidiot]

The WAG group has proven they are a total joke.  The original plan has clearly not worked with having 17 packs out of 20 all piled up in one area of the state.  The WAG group could change the plan and get this ridiculous problem fixed but have not.  They are clearly outrageous wolf lovers that have no concern for the people being affected with this overpopulation problem.  Why would anybody want to go give public comments after so many community meetings have already taken place but the severely affected areas were not listened to.  It appears the frustrated rural folks are just dealing with it themselves cautiously but effectively.

[jackelope]

The WAG group has proven they are a total joke.  The original plan has clearly not worked with having 17 packs out of 20 all piled up in one area of the state.  The WAG group could change the plan and get this ridiculous problem fixed but have not.  They are clearly outrageous wolf lovers that have no concern for the people being affected with this overpopulation problem.  Why would anybody want to go give public comments after so many community meetings have already taken place but the severely affected areas were not listened to.  It appears the frustrated rural folks are just dealing with it themselves cautiously but effectively.

Weilgus is requesting to speak. I'm assuming you know who Weilgus is, right @villageidiot  ?
In an email dated 3/22/17, he asked for permission to speak.
The problem is that the pro wolf crowd is showing up in force to these meetings and the rest of us aren't showing up at all. Myself included, sorry to say.


Hi Donny and WAG.

 

I am requesting that you allow me to speak very briefly (<5 min) re: my research and observations of wolf livestock depredations at your WAG meeting next week.

 

 

 


Dr. Robert Wielgus

Associate Professor & Director

Large Carnivore Conservation Lab

School of Environment

Washington State University

Pullman, WA 99164-6410

[jackelope]

From: Protect The Wolves <protectthewolves9765@gmail.com>
Date: March 28, 2017 at 9:59:30 AM PDT
To: "Wielgus, Robert B" <wielgus@WSU.edu>

Subject: Re: Press Release Wielgus








Good Morning Donny,

 Please provide Protect The Wolves Representative Carol Pearsall 5 minutes at the beginning of the comment period to present this Petition letter Verbally.

Thank you






Thank you Dr. Robert Wielgus for your bringing facts forward. Please be aware our Invitation that we extended to you still stands to sit on our Board of Directors. Unlike others, Protect The Wolves values their word! But we would also like to keep you in the loop. Your pointing out the Ranchers blatant disregard for known wolf den site locations should be prosecuted. We felt that it was prudent for all involved be aware that we are requesting these issues be addressed.



  This one sided Wolf Management all for the benefits of one faction needs stopped. We are adding our current Petition to terminate, relocate, rescind grazing allotments in known or newly discovered Wolf Den sites  to the USFS. The Indian Trust, as well as the Public Trust shows these Government groups how they are supposed to manage our common Trust interests, those being wildlife to some, Sacred to most all Indigenous as they relate to the Circle of Life. WDFW as well as USFS actions clearly show beyond a doubt that they are blatantly ignoring the mandates upon them as Trustees. These same Trusts tell them as well that "elected Officials" they  are required to remain 100% Transparent. This also Including Donny Martorello ignoring Washingtons Elected Officials requests to keep communication open to all involved as Senator Mark Schoesler and Representative Tom Dent Pointed out. Donny, your Program is based on Tax Dollars, the Trusts mandate that you maintain transparency.




Please Find our Petition attached showing basis for our request to rescind move or ban ( pick your applicable word) Grazing Allotments in direct conflict with known or newly discovered wolf den sites. Our basis clearly shows that past actions have resulted in mismanagement of our Trust Resources, only paying attention to special interest Ranchers.




Thank you for your Time

Protect The Wolves

Patricia Herman President

406-219-8690

[jackelope]

Here's the petition that the pro wolf crowd is passing around.

[huntnphool]

Here's the petition that the pro wolf crowd is passing around.

[Buckewe]

If you look at where the people are from that signed the petition it seems like at least a third or more of them are not even from this country. Are they just getting people to blindly sign these things.

[Special T]

Pardon me for being a nay sayer but attendance has zero to do with why we have a bad wolf deal. The fact is that it's about $. Pearson saying no to a wdfw fee increase is a good start.  If the bunny huggers want wolves they can pay for it out of the general fund. A big financial squeeze is gona happen, and hopefully Some one will get a clue where to spend the  $.

[bearpaw]

I think it was Wolfbait that had it right "Washington Dept of Fish & Wolves"!

[STARVATION]

A pox on those air wasting P.O.S. They want wolves put them downtown *censored*attle, plenty of prey for them to eat, but then we will have a drug rehab for wolf program to pay for.

[villageidiot]

Did we all forget this Dr. Weigus was caught lying about the rancher turning out on a wolf den.  It was more than two miles from the den but he lied to get his wolf hugger friends in an uproar.  WSU made a statement denying support for his statements.  As I remember he also made some outlandish statements a couple years ago about how killing cougars actually created more problem cougars. 
  He's clearly not very informed about wildlife but uses his position as a professor to try and convince people of his invented theories.  Why would he be given any more time at a meeting than anybody else.  In fact he's proven he's a liar so why even let him speak?   

[mfswallace]

Update??

[Skyvalhunter]

I think it was Wolfbait that had it right "Washington Dept of Fish & Wolves"!

Dept of Fish, Wolves, & Income generator.

[timberfaller]

Nothing new under the Sun!!!  If you'd been in the Methow when the Feds were going after the "irrigation users" Aka:Farmers/Ranchers, "Public meetings" with any government agency is nothing but a joke.  The agenda will always trump any common sense and Public interests and FACTS.

Public meetings are just a formality to suffice a judges ruling years ago. 

Also, if you haven't figured it out, Eco's have figured out the "legal system" to benefit themselves(well organized attorneys) and don't forget about the FakeNews outlets!

[wolfbait]

Did we all forget this Dr. Weigus was caught lying about the rancher turning out on a wolf den.  It was more than two miles from the den but he lied to get his wolf hugger friends in an uproar.  WSU made a statement denying support for his statements.  As I remember he also made some outlandish statements a couple years ago about how killing cougars actually created more problem cougars. 
  He's clearly not very informed about wildlife but uses his position as a professor to try and convince people of his invented theories.  Why would he be given any more time at a meeting than anybody else.  In fact he's proven he's a liar so why even let him speak?   

He is one of WDF&Wolves surrogates just like their lawyer filled fake environmentalists on the WAG etc..

Look who supported the 15 bps wolf plan, and know that, that was where a positive change could have been made with a six bps plan. At this point any "meetings" are just political foreplay for their agenda, WDFW are just as fake as MSM, maybe worse.

[jackelope]

With the lack of support on here, I doubt my friend will share any details from the meeting. Everybody is good with complaining on here, which is pretty much the same as peeing into the wind, but when it comes time for the rubber to meet the road....nobody's there.

[BDildine]

Jackelope- I'd be curious what to hear went on/transpired. Im still fairly new to the wolf reintroduction stuff/info. I can understand a little bit of why people are *complaining*, due to being screwed in the past, but complaining and doing nothing because "it'll do nothing" would be like handing in your guns now because "sooner or later they will get their way".
I like to form my own opinions, and thoughts, so anything to help form those is appreciated (not just he said/she said)

[jackelope]

I forwarded a link to this thread to the guy that was there and who got to speak on the behalf of hunters in our state. If he comments, great.

I can't really talk as I've never been to a meeting either. Trying to spread the word where I can. A lot of times, I can't get out of my job to attend meetings. Not trying to  make excuses...just saying. I understand when people can't go.

[Special T]

@jackalope
I hope your friend reports on the meeting despite most people's unhappiness with the departments in/action on wolves.I

Your friend obviously cares enough about hunting to volunteer by going to the meeting and studying the issue. I would implore him to go the next step by helping to put forth an unfiltered version of the meeting. Hunters are not organized, but the first step is education and disseminating the information.

I had a club member on the same advisory  committee.  He was frustrated at the department and many peoples reponces on here.  Many people take the feedback too personal, and a lot is lost in translation in most people's writing.

Fact is that we NEED this information published, and we also need to get organised and I feel they go hand in hand.

Tell your friend Thank You for volunteering from me and all of us.

[Special T]

I also had a buddy on the waterfowl advisory group at one point. I would normally talk to him and look up the states information about the meeting.

The reason why the reporting is important is because the information from the department  either lacks detail or doesn't talk about the meat of the issues being discussed. Unfortunately I only got him to post on here a few times.

[jackelope]

@jackalope
I hope your friend reports on the meeting despite most people's unhappiness with the departments in/action on wolves.I

Your friend obviously cares enough about hunting to volunteer by going to the meeting and studying the issue. I would implore him to go the next step by helping to put forth an unfiltered version of the meeting. Hunters are not organized, but the first step is education and disseminating the information.

I had a club member on the same advisory  committee.  He was frustrated at the department and many peoples reponces on here.  Many people take the feedback too personal, and a lot is lost in translation in most people's writing.

Fact is that we NEED this information published, and we also need to get organised and I feel they go hand in hand.

Tell your friend Thank You for volunteering from me and all of us.

He's a member and he'll see all of this. Thanks for the good words.

[Special T]

Often time we air our frustrations with the department and it spills onto those that volunteer.

It's unfortunate and not many peoples intentions including my own when we do so.

Volunteering is tough and can seem thankless. I think if there was more information for general consumption it would help especially on this issue since we mostly agree on how messed up the wolf issue is. The department doesn't do them self any favors with the Hunting community because they are caught in the cross hairs. What a volunteer says the WDFW is not responsible for, which places extra weight on the need for the information.

[bearpaw]

With the lack of support on here, I doubt my friend will share any details from the meeting. Everybody is good with complaining on here, which is pretty much the same as peeing into the wind, but when it comes time for the rubber to meet the road....nobody's there.

Please keep in mind that there are many of us who have already put in a great deal of time going to meetings and trying to have a positive impact on the wolf issue long before now. I attended meetings and wrote many letters when the wolf plan was being developed and there are other hunt-wa members who I saw at some of those meetings and know went to other meetings I was unable to attend. I'm really glad someone still wants to be involved and that he took the time to speak, but there are numerous other hunters who have already devoted much time and effort. Maybe I misunderstood your comments, but I find it interesting that because none of us jumped now we do not deserve to hear about the meeting! 

[Special T]

@Bearpaw  you post is a good example of how a post can be taken the wrong way.

Your not wrong in what you have said but the shot of negativity and assumption at the end on a bad note. Jackalope didn't say he wasn't going to report, but implied the negativity may be too much.

Most of us (including myself) arnt word smiths or English majors. I am often frustrated when people pile on some one, or sound like it, when reporting on department meetings.

Being able to accurately summarize and then write it in a detailed way takes time and practice to do well.

Even if the department is pushing their line of B S its important to know what they are saying.

[jackelope]

It's certainly not up to me.

[bearpaw]

@bearpaw  you post is a good example of how a post can be taken the wrong way.

Your not wrong in what you have said but the shot of negativity and assumption at the end on a bad note. Jackalope didn't say he wasn't going to report, but implied the negativity may be too much.

Most of us (including myself) arnt word smiths or English majors. I am often frustrated when people pile on some one, or sound like it, when reporting on department meetings.

Being able to accurately summarize and then write it in a detailed way takes time and practice to do well.

Even if the department is pushing their line of B S its important to know what they are saying.

Yes, definitely hard to understand sometimes what a person means?

[villageidiot]

Went to two of those meetings in Okanogan County where the room was standing room only Against wolves.  Nothing has been done to support the anti wolf groups suggestions.  Why would anybody waste their time in going to another meeting that the rule makers could care less about your opinion or your losses?
  It was very clear to all in attendance that there will be no reduction in the wolves legally.