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Anyone ever thought of using a higher "multiplier" for points once a certain threshold is reached?I realize it's not a way to "fix" any situation with elk. But it does seem like it might make sense to give people who have been putting in for special permits for years at least better odds of getting selected.What I mean is all points are now squared. After say 10 years they could be cubed (or something like that).
Quote from: Bullkllr on April 30, 2017, 09:49:06 PMAnyone ever thought of using a higher "multiplier" for points once a certain threshold is reached?I realize it's not a way to "fix" any situation with elk. But it does seem like it might make sense to give people who have been putting in for special permits for years at least better odds of getting selected.What I mean is all points are now squared. After say 10 years they could be cubed (or something like that). This was proposed the last time they tried to change the system in response to a convoluted mess that the state proposed in order to help people with high points draw tags. Next year they are planning on making "major changes" as it will be the 3 year rule making session and there will not be any budgetary restrictions on state rule making. I'm curious as to what they are planning as they had a pretty large reduction in permits this year and if they continue next year who knows what we will be left with.
I believe one thing would help if they took for example a unit that has 15tags out of those 15tags give 10 to the applicant that has 15 or more points and the rest to the applicants that have less then 15. And once u draw one of those tags u have to wait like 2-5yrs before u can apply for said hunt again. U can still collect points, just can't apply for that unit until you've waited. There are a lot of applicants that draw those tags with 2-8 pts, and a guy like myself that has 20 can't seem to draw. Other states have a preference point system where u draw after you have a certain amount of points. I realize it's a random draw, but this carrot the WDFW is holding out for the points isn't working. Just my opinion. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Quote from: King Krok on May 01, 2017, 01:27:45 PMI believe one thing would help if they took for example a unit that has 15tags out of those 15tags give 10 to the applicant that has 15 or more points and the rest to the applicants that have less then 15. And once u draw one of those tags u have to wait like 2-5yrs before u can apply for said hunt again. U can still collect points, just can't apply for that unit until you've waited. There are a lot of applicants that draw those tags with 2-8 pts, and a guy like myself that has 20 can't seem to draw. Other states have a preference point system where u draw after you have a certain amount of points. I realize it's a random draw, but this carrot the WDFW is holding out for the points isn't working. Just my opinion. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThey do that the new hunters will never make it to the top til they are too old to hunt. For example a unit I put in for has 14 tags and 1400 apply assuming no one leaves the pool unless they draw or joins after putting in for something else thats 100 years for a new hunter to draw. Lets say with people leaving the pool it takes 50 years to draw for a new hunter and they start applying at 8 they wont draw til 58 and 70 if you start at 20. People need to quit thinking about themselves and relize the math is what it is multipliers and preferences just make it harder for the mass and easier for the few. What happens when there are over 1000 peole with 15 points move it to 25 for those who still cant draw. If you multiply on one side of the equation (hunters) and don't on the other side (the elk) things are not going to be even. I have 15 pts and if the highest points got tags it would still take over 10 years to draw.
I don't see WA as having an issue with point creep... There is no units that took say 10 points last year that will take more than 10 this year. Everyone has a chance, albeit slim, to draw any tag in the state. Guys every year are drawing quality tags with minimal points. The only change I wouldn't mind seeing is a percentage of the special permits going to the highest point holder 25% maybe, But then we would have point creep I also like Idahos system much better, but WA is too invested in the point system to look back now IMO
But everybody will not draw in a liftetime. It's impossible to make the system in such a way that everyone will eventually draw. They just won't. Too many applicants and not enough tags. It's like with the lottery. Just being a loyal player and buying your tickets every week doesn't guarantee you'll win the jackpot eventually. You most likely never will. The fact that you've been buying lottery tickets for 20 years does not give you any better odds than the guy who bought his first ticket today. And it shouldn't.
Quote from: bobcat on May 02, 2017, 05:02:44 PMBut everybody will not draw in a liftetime. It's impossible to make the system in such a way that everyone will eventually draw. They just won't. Too many applicants and not enough tags. It's like with the lottery. Just being a loyal player and buying your tickets every week doesn't guarantee you'll win the jackpot eventually. You most likely never will. The fact that you've been buying lottery tickets for 20 years does not give you any better odds than the guy who bought his first ticket today. And it shouldn't.
Quote from: Rainier10 on May 02, 2017, 05:45:43 PMQuote from: bobcat on May 02, 2017, 05:02:44 PMBut everybody will not draw in a liftetime. It's impossible to make the system in such a way that everyone will eventually draw. They just won't. Too many applicants and not enough tags. It's like with the lottery. Just being a loyal player and buying your tickets every week doesn't guarantee you'll win the jackpot eventually. You most likely never will. The fact that you've been buying lottery tickets for 20 years does not give you any better odds than the guy who bought his first ticket today. And it shouldn't.
But everybody will not draw in a liftetime. It's impossible to make the system in such a way that everyone will eventually draw. They just won't. Too many applicants and not enough tags. It's like winning the lottery. Just being a loyal player and buying your tickets every week doesn't guarantee you'll win the jackpot eventually. You most likely never will. The fact that you've been buying lottery tickets for 20 years does not give you any better odds than the guy who bought his first ticket today. And it shouldn't.