Special Permits and new website

[RB]

I just don't understand how in this day and age they can't be done within a few days of permit submission cutoff.

Yeah I would like to know what the process is and why it takes so long

In the government I've seen getting a yes or no answer to a simple question take two years. Boggles the mind !

 

X10 Wholy Guacamole it can be very frustrating at times

[Roperfive88]

It says before July 1st which is by the end of June in different word just like its always been. It could take to the end of june and it could be around the usual time.

[Mfowl]

It says before July 1st which is by the end of June in different word just like its always been. It could take to the end of june and it could be around the usual time.

^This. I think they are just covering their butts in case there is an issue with the drawing/results and they need the extra time to correct it without being bombarded by angry applicants. I'm expecting results in the next 2 weeks, similar to years past.

[Timberstalker]

I did hear you're more likely to draw OIL's as a group with the new system though.

Absolutely!

[bobcat]

I just don't understand how in this day and age they can't be done within a few days of permit submission cutoff.

I think what takes the longest is that they make sure everyone who bought an application but didn't submit before the deadline gets their applications submitted. I don't agree that they should be doing that, but I've heard in the past that they do. This year they did give one extra day to submit applications, but I'm guessing anyone who had purchased an application and still was unable to get it submitted for whatever reason, would be allowed to submit after the extended deadline. There are also those every year who wait until the last night to buy a hunting license and special permit applications for their child who just completed a hunter education course, and don't realize that a first time hunter cannot purchase a hunting license online, it must be done at a license dealer so they can verify that person's hunter education certificate. I'm sure there are plenty of other exceptions as well, to the application deadline.

[Skyvalhunter]

Basically what he is saying it's all about the mighty dollar for the state. That is all they have in their vision.

[Bob33]

If WDFW ran Presidential elections the results would come out around Chruatmas.

[bobcat]

Basically what he is saying it's all about the mighty dollar for the state. That is all they have in their vision.

No doubt that's the case. It become very apparent several years ago when they changed the permit system from one category per species to 6 or 7 categories, at least for deer and elk. Made it much more complex and confusing, and just plain worse, while costing us hunters more money.

[mp.hunter]

I just don't understand how in this day and age they can't be done within a few days of permit submission cutoff.

I think what takes the longest is that they make sure everyone who bought an application but didn't submit before the deadline gets their applications submitted. I don't agree that they should be doing that, but I've heard in the past that they do. This year they did give one extra day to submit applications, but I'm guessing anyone who had purchased an application and still was unable to get it submitted for whatever reason, would be allowed to submit after the extended deadline. There are also those every year who wait until the last night to buy a hunting license and special permit applications for their child who just completed a hunter education course, and don't realize that a first time hunter cannot purchase a hunting license online, it must be done at a license dealer so they can verify that person's hunter education certificate. I'm sure there are plenty of other exceptions as well, to the application deadline.

This is true, also the department has to go through all the applicants to make sure points are taken away if drawn and remain if not. Last minute applicants do delay the process. The new system, it sounds like, will be more efficient though.


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[2MANY]

I just don't understand how in this day and age they can't be done within a few days of permit submission cutoff.

I think what takes the longest is that they make sure everyone who bought an application but didn't submit before the deadline gets their applications submitted. I don't agree that they should be doing that, but I've heard in the past that they do. This year they did give one extra day to submit applications, but I'm guessing anyone who had purchased an application and still was unable to get it submitted for whatever reason, would be allowed to submit after the extended deadline. There are also those every year who wait until the last night to buy a hunting license and special permit applications for their child who just completed a hunter education course, and don't realize that a first time hunter cannot purchase a hunting license online, it must be done at a license dealer so they can verify that person's hunter education certificate. I'm sure there are plenty of other exceptions as well, to the application deadline.

This is true, also the department has to go through all the applicants to make sure points are taken away if drawn and remain if not. Last minute applicants do delay the process. The new system, it sounds like, will be more efficient though.


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Since it will be more efficient perhaps they will can some of the two legged inefficients that roam the halls and breakrooms.

[Igor]

I just don't understand how in this day and age they can't be done within a few days of permit submission cutoff.

I think what takes the longest is that they make sure everyone who bought an application but didn't submit before the deadline gets their applications submitted. I don't agree that they should be doing that, but I've heard in the past that they do. This year they did give one extra day to submit applications, but I'm guessing anyone who had purchased an application and still was unable to get it submitted for whatever reason, would be allowed to submit after the extended deadline. There are also those every year who wait until the last night to buy a hunting license and special permit applications for their child who just completed a hunter education course, and don't realize that a first time hunter cannot purchase a hunting license online, it must be done at a license dealer so they can verify that person's hunter education certificate. I'm sure there are plenty of other exceptions as well, to the application deadline.

This is true, also the department has to go through all the applicants to make sure points are taken away if drawn and remain if not. Last minute applicants do delay the process. The new system, it sounds like, will be more efficient though.


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A very simple computer program could manage all of the points in the entire system in mere nano-seconds.  Hopefully, they are not still doing this task by hand.

[mp.hunter]

I just don't understand how in this day and age they can't be done within a few days of permit submission cutoff.

I think what takes the longest is that they make sure everyone who bought an application but didn't submit before the deadline gets their applications submitted. I don't agree that they should be doing that, but I've heard in the past that they do. This year they did give one extra day to submit applications, but I'm guessing anyone who had purchased an application and still was unable to get it submitted for whatever reason, would be allowed to submit after the extended deadline. There are also those every year who wait until the last night to buy a hunting license and special permit applications for their child who just completed a hunter education course, and don't realize that a first time hunter cannot purchase a hunting license online, it must be done at a license dealer so they can verify that person's hunter education certificate. I'm sure there are plenty of other exceptions as well, to the application deadline.

This is true, also the department has to go through all the applicants to make sure points are taken away if drawn and remain if not. Last minute applicants do delay the process. The new system, it sounds like, will be more efficient though.


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A very simple computer program could manage all of the points in the entire system in mere nano-seconds.  Hopefully, they are not still doing this task by hand.

True, but the department doesn't run the draw, the new vendor this year is based out of Baltimore, I am not sure of the name. So our department needs to make sure the draw is correct after that vendor runs it.


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[JeffRaines]

I just don't understand how in this day and age they can't be done within a few days of permit submission cutoff.

I think what takes the longest is that they make sure everyone who bought an application but didn't submit before the deadline gets their applications submitted. I don't agree that they should be doing that, but I've heard in the past that they do. This year they did give one extra day to submit applications, but I'm guessing anyone who had purchased an application and still was unable to get it submitted for whatever reason, would be allowed to submit after the extended deadline. There are also those every year who wait until the last night to buy a hunting license and special permit applications for their child who just completed a hunter education course, and don't realize that a first time hunter cannot purchase a hunting license online, it must be done at a license dealer so they can verify that person's hunter education certificate. I'm sure there are plenty of other exceptions as well, to the application deadline.

This is true, also the department has to go through all the applicants to make sure points are taken away if drawn and remain if not. Last minute applicants do delay the process. The new system, it sounds like, will be more efficient though.


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A very simple computer program could manage all of the points in the entire system in mere nano-seconds.  Hopefully, they are not still doing this task by hand.

I've been saying this. Theres no reason the draw can't run at 12:00:01am and results be posted by 12:10:00am and thats being generous.

[Skyvalhunter]

No one works at 12:10 AM when you have the rest of the day to push the button

[hillbillyhunting]

My second deer points went down to 0 as of 6/7/2017 and it is still 6/6