Idaho F&G Proposal-Outlaw Trail Cameras

[DBHAWTHORNE]

again harvest success and fair chase are completely separate issues. I kill a deer and elk every year. my success rate is 100% on public land. the fact that I do has nothing to do with the issue of fair chase on a whole or how my harvest success affect others. I could really care less if you do or don't get your bull. I do care that the bull has his chance to be persuade as fairly as possible.  I think you guys are correlating fair chase to be between hunters, its not, its between hunters and game. and tech in this area needs to be kept up with period.

I get it...and don't disagree.... but who gets to define that? I have killed animals at 300-400 yards with a rifle... aside from making a shot that I can make 99 out of 100 times under a variety of conditions what was really fair about that... In some cases I didn't even have to be all that quiet or stealthy.. I just lucked out that they were standing out in the open long enough for me to spot/stalk in closer. Is that Fair Chase? Because honestly the odds of them surviving that encounter weren't all that high.

[lord grizzly]

our game departments get to decide that. that's what there for. we get to voice our opinions in their meetings and in some cases make a difference with how we vote. as the old saying goes "democracy is the worst form of government in the world...except for all the rest of them."

[DBHAWTHORNE]

our game departments get to decide that. that's what there for. we get to voice our opinions in their meetings and in some cases make a difference with how we vote. as the old saying goes "democracy is the worst form of government in the world...except for all the rest of them."

I 100% agree...that's why they shouldn't use the "opinion" of the majority of hunters to make management decisions. It should be based on science and how it impacts the resource and opportunity....and the goal should always be to maximize that opportunity in a manner that is sustainable to the resource.

[lord grizzly]

sounds like we agree on the process. and it certainly sounds like I'm not the "majority" on this issue. as I stated I hope Idaho adopts some form of this measure to help insure the integrity of fair chase hunting against the ever advancing tech in the market.

[bobcat]

Very little of game management is based on science, at least in this state. Popular opinion has more weight than science.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

sounds like we agree on the process. and it certainly sounds like I'm not the "majority" on this issue. as I stated I hope Idaho adopts some form of this measure to help insure the integrity of fair chase hunting against the ever advancing tech in the market.

Hard to say. You might be in the majority on the issue in the western US. You probably won't get much support back east or from most Whitetail Bowhunters  but aside from that I think there are lot of people that would vote against them. I can say if I hunted private lands with cell reception I would love to have them. However, current trail cameras work just fine for me in the areas that I prefer to hunt... my enjoyment of trail cameras in general are a big part of the experience for me. I'd be a trail camer even hunting was outlawed.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

Very little of game management is based on science, at least in this state. Popular opinion has more weight than science.

Honestly, that is the biggest issue I have had with WDFW. I'm very frustrated when year after year I see them bringing up issues for discussion that really only serve to divide hunters rather that manage the resource or maximize opportunity. It's almost like they try to use the popular vote to make a lot of their decisions.

[JimmyHoffa]

Very little of game management is based on science, at least in this state. Popular opinion has more weight than science.

Bear, cougar, soon wolves, as many other animals and fish are determined by king county libs and tribes.

[Wacenturion]

our game departments get to decide that. that's what there for. we get to voice our opinions in their meetings and in some cases make a difference with how we vote. as the old saying goes "democracy is the worst form of government in the world...except for all the rest of them."

I 100% agree...that's why they shouldn't use the "opinion" of the majority of hunters to make management decisions. It should be based on science and how it impacts the resource and opportunity....and the goal should always be to maximize that opportunity in a manner that is sustainable to the resource.

Well said....exactly.

[kentrek]

our game departments get to decide that. that's what there for. we get to voice our opinions in their meetings and in some cases make a difference with how we vote. as the old saying goes "democracy is the worst form of government in the world...except for all the rest of them."

I 100% agree...that's why they shouldn't use the "opinion" of the majority of hunters to make management decisions. It should be based on science and how it impacts the resource and opportunity....and the goal should always be to maximize that opportunity in a manner that is sustainable to the resource.

Well said....exactly.

 

[Machias]

.. my enjoyment of trail cameras in general are a big part of the experience for me. I'd be a trail camer even hunting was outlawed.

 

Lots of fun, I'll leave the illegal and unethical activity to other folks.

[lord grizzly]

.. my enjoyment of trail cameras in general are a big part of the experience for me. I'd be a trail camer even hunting was outlawed.

 

Lots of fun, I'll leave the illegal and unethical activity to other folks.

That is why we need to have laws and regulations in a society isn't it

[Machias]

No we do not need to have laws and regulations covering every little aspect of every thing we do. 

[Rainier10]

simple yes or no question here for the group (see if that happens).

do you believe 24 hour real time surveillance is fair chase hunting?

No because I am not allowed to hunt 24 hours.

If you see a herd of elk cross the road into a field 20 minutes before shooting hours do you just keep driving to your planned hunting spot for the day because you have obtained information about their location outside of legal hunting hours?  My guess is you post up in that field and wait for hunting hours.

if you really cant see the difference there than you need to work on your critical thinking skills. I realize this is the internet and of course obtuse arguments must be made but really??

Where do you draw the line on 24 hour surveillance?  It appears at trail cameras.

I am certainly not one that needs to work on my critical thinking skills.  If you think I am obtuse you obviously don't know me.

I am all for management that is based on fact.  If it can be proven that these cameras are increasing harvest, reducing opportunity for others and hurting our game herds I am all for a conversation about either limiting their use or modifying the hunting seasons to account for the over harvest.

Do you get that?   Read it again, I am open to using or limiting the use of these cameras.  Would you say that you are as open minded on the conversation as I?

[lord grizzly]

simple yes or no question here for the group (see if that happens).

do you believe 24 hour real time surveillance is fair chase hunting?

No because I am not allowed to hunt 24 hours.

If you see a herd of elk cross the road into a field 20 minutes before shooting hours do you just keep driving to your planned hunting spot for the day because you have obtained information about their location outside of legal hunting hours?  My guess is you post up in that field and wait for hunting hours.

if you really cant see the difference there than you need to work on your critical thinking skills. I realize this is the internet and of course obtuse arguments must be made but really??

Where do you draw the line on 24 hour surveillance?  It appears at trail cameras.

I am certainly not one that needs to work on my critical thinking skills.  If you think I am obtuse you obviously don't know me.

I am all for management that is based on fact.  If it can be proven that these cameras are increasing harvest, reducing opportunity for others and hurting our game herds I am all for a conversation about either limiting their use or modifying the hunting seasons to account for the over harvest.

Do you get that?   Read it again, I am open to using or limiting the use of these cameras.  Would you say that you are as open minded on the conversation as I?

Again confusing fair chase with harvest. Very different the things. Open your mind to the ethics side of the topic of technology and hunting as it pertains to fair chase. Like I said fair chase has nothing to do with one hunter to another it is hunter and game.

For the record I have cameras hanging I the woods right now. So all Of you thinking I'm looking down my nose at another user groups are quite mistaken. I'm looking down the slippery slope of advancing technology and what it means to the ethics of hunting. Sorry that offends so many of you sportsman