Long range shots? true? ethical?

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

I personally dont buy the jump the string,

Are you kidding me??? I'm going to assume you have a couple hunts on DVD. Try slowing them down frame by frame sometime and watch the animal jump before the arrow hits, it happens all the time. The only other excuse for this would be maybe they see the arrow before it hits? Either way they most certainly do jump at times, and its not just coincidence.

of course they do, Im not buying the assumption everyone seems to have that they all do ALL the time..... with as quiet as todays bows are it doesnt happen as often as people make it out to be, and again personally I have never had a issue with it, you can always argue the "what ifs" of anyting, but I still think the FARTHER away the less likely that will happen, can you hear someone shoot a new hoyt or matthews from 45yrds? no.. let alone 60-80.. I have also seen deer jump the string at 15 yrds, so then is that to far also?

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

I will bite.  Last year I was practicing out to 80 yards with field points, and was getting groups into a 10 inch circle at that range, consistantly.  Mind you that's with no wind, no caffeine, non-moving target, and no adrenaline.  That said, I have passed on bulls at 50 yards because I felt too much could go wrong.  Broadheads do strange things at distance, and for that reason and respect of the animal, I try to get close.  Last think anyone wants is a wounded, lost elk.  Course who am I to talk, I missed one at 13 yards.....

 

What strange things do they do? if tuned right they fly as good or better then field points

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

I am not going to get in the middle of this thread but I do have one thing to say...

To me, archery is a matter of how close you can get, not who can sling the furthest arrow and get lucky once in a while... Just my 

I also agree 100% Jon, but you and I both know sometimes you cant get super close

[huntnphool]

I have also seen deer jump the string at 15 yrds,

Well then dont say

I personally dont buy the jump the string,

You about gave me a heart attack

[huntnphool]

Im not buying the assumption everyone seems to have that they all do ALL the time.

Not everyone, but it does happen at times

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

I agree it does, Ive seen it, youve seen it, hell everyone has, but the menatlity most have is that at longer distance say 50+ it will be more likely and I think it the exact oposite, the fact is if more people had the ability to shoot out past 50-60 with precision then it wouldnt be as big of a deal.. the people that say its wrong  99.9% cant come even close to shooting well enough to take those shots, and for that reason alone they should never try them...

[Aneoakleaf]

If you want to find the true answer there's  :oa class put together by the top archery hunters in the US. Sounds like many of you should go. It's the International Bowhunter Education Class. It's a 10 to 14 hr class that will teach you things that would take you ten years of hard knocks to learn.   Annette

[Ray]

Here's my non attack.

You're likely irresponsible if you are taking shots over 50 yards on animals with any bow. Penetration will not be as deep. Animals move. Wind and environmental impacts (rain snow whatever) are likely or possible. At best you are probably not stalking close enough and should consider hunting with a rifle or passing on the shot instead if you cannot get closer.

[Slider]

I personally do not condone long shots period!!! And that's with Archery,Muzzle Loader's and Rifle's. Why would you? For bragging Rights if you happen to hit them? Do the same people brag when they miss or wound an animal? Practise,Practise,Practise, The biggest mistake I see is Archery hunters quit practising during the season? I recommend only taking shot's you are comfortable with. I would like Deer size animals 40 yds or less and Elk size animals 50yds or less. I also practise at 60 yds with broadheads. Good Luck

[SHANE(WA)]

lol too funny, dunno what to say about that comment "irresponsible past 50" who are you to say? Sorry I will take hoytstaffshooter83 or few people I know shooting at game at 80 yards than 70% of the guys out there bowhunting taking shots at 30 yards, the yahoo who goes and buys his bow a sportsmans 2 mo before and and hits the hills lol .Penetration is not EVEN a issue with todays bows, broadheads and carbon arrows. I dont buy the string jump unless its close under 40 more like under 30.Shooting past 50 nope, especially on mule deer, bows are way too quiet these days.
 I practice out to 100 yards, my buddy shoots out to 140 for practice for 3d shoots, not that I will ever shoot that far, its practice makes closer shots easier, I will never hesitate on a calm muley at 60

[Ray]

Shane,

You don't have to agree but I expect childish repsonses and a lack of will to comprehend what is written from folks like you. It's your status quo.

First of all I said "likely".
Second of all not all bows are modern. You have assumed people are all using some compound bow bought off the shelf in the last 5 years or something like that.
Third - Penetration and accuracy are factors when you use a bow made out of a stick. So once again you are not thinking farther than your own bow.

To me it seems you are looking for a reason to start trash talking instead of accepting someone else's opinion for what it is. Maybe because I have deleted many of your personal attacks in the past and you are still upset. I stand by what I said. You don't have to agree as I have said before.  People asked for the opinion and for the user not to attack. I delivered and you want to become insulted or feel at odds with my opinion to a great degree because you might feel like some authority on bow hunting. Fine by me. I make no claim and am not attacking your credibility in that sense. I am just some dude and I shoot bows. Opinions are like a**holes. Everyone's got one but they should not necessarily be ridiculed for sharing it openly when someone is soliciting it publicly.

I still think most shots past 50 with a compound are probably a bad idea. Consider the gun instead or passing on the shot. The problem is that people who can shoot with the modern bows see their bows like rifles. Shoot as far as they think they can.. instead of using constraint , good judgement and waiting for a better shot most of the time.

So that is who I am to say. Now run along.

[cohoho]

Now run along.

That is the quote of the year!

[mossback91]

 

[Alan K]

I'll shoot out to 70 on an elk, and 50 on a deer.

[Hoytstaffshooter83]

Shane,

You don't have to agree but I expect childish repsonses and a lack of will to comprehend what is written from folks like you. It's your status quo.

First of all I said "likely".
Second of all not all bows are modern. You have assumed people are all using some compound bow bought off the shelf in the last 5 years or something like that.
Third - Penetration and accuracy are factors when you use a bow made out of a stick. So once again you are not thinking farther than your own bow.

To me it seems you are looking for a reason to start trash talking instead of accepting someone else's opinion for what it is. Maybe because I have deleted many of your personal attacks in the past and you are still upset. I stand by what I said. You don't have to agree as I have said before.  People asked for the opinion and for the user not to attack. I delivered and you want to become insulted or feel at odds with my opinion to a great degree because you might feel like some authority on bow hunting. Fine by me. I make no claim and am not attacking your credibility in that sense. I am just some dude and I shoot bows. Opinions are like a**holes. Everyone's got one but they should not necessarily be ridiculed for sharing it openly when someone is soliciting it publicly.

I still think most shots past 50 with a compound are probably a bad idea. Consider the gun instead or passing on the shot. The problem is that people who can shoot with the modern bows see their bows like rifles. Shoot as far as they think they can.. instead of using constraint , good judgement and waiting for a better shot most of the time.

So that is who I am to say. Now run along.

That is opinion and thats fine, you also think that a compound bow is not "bowhunting" so lets not get started there, you have never taken a shot over 50.. with your weapon of choice that certainly would be a BAD chioce and the penetration would be non exsistent IF and thats a HUGE if you hit your target.. now take my Hoyt Alphamax 35 for example, set up at 65lbs, shooting a 417 gr arrow at 280 fps with over 60 fpke...... as previously stated my other hoyt made short work of a mule deer doe at 55yrds through BOTH front shoulders and out the other side at least 6 ft.. I dont think penetration was a issue.. your not a bad bowhunter if 50-60 is as close as you can get in open terrain on mule deer.... I have stalked from 400+yrds to 55 and killed deer.. thats hunting I dont care what weapon you use.. that last 20yrds does not make you or anyone a better hunter then someone who knows 50 is close enough for them in that situation.. its all a matter of chioce and skill... I also agree that me taking a shot at 60-80 is 10x more ethical then alot of "bowhunters" shooting at game at 30yrds.... Ive seen it in the woods, im sure most of you has as well.. way to many people do not hone their skills with a bow even close enough to ethically harvest game...  hitting a pie plate most of the time doesnt cut it..