The WDFW's response to negative feedback regarding August public land closure

[bobcat]

The rationale for limiting the bear season to private
lands in August was based on a couple of concerns.
The primary reason was bear harvest over the last three
years exceeded some of our indicators for sustainable
populations in some of the bear management units. So
our objective was to reduce harvest slightly during the
fall season. Shortening the fall seasons also facilitates
additional spring harvest on industrial timberlands to
address bear damage to trees. As we increase spring
seasons, we may continue to exceed the thresholds for
maintaining sustainable populations. Spring seasons
not only help address tree damage, but the harvest tends
to include mostly males; which helps manage for
sustainable black bear populations.
The decision to reduce take during the early portion of
the season (August) rather than the end of the season
was because then it also helps reduce conflict with
other summer recreational users (e.g., campers, hikers,
berry pickers). The reason for allowing harvest on
private lands in August was to still provide a
mechanism to take bears involved in nuisance activity
(e.g., orchard damage).
The Department has received numerous comments on
this recommendation and all of the comments do not
support the change to the August bear season. Because
we’re “on the bubble” in terms of the biological
justification for reducing bear harvest, the Department
has altered our recommendation to open the 2009 fall
bear season August 1 (for the subset of Bear
Management Units). The revised recommendation tries
to balance the emerging biological concern, provide
early fall hunting opportunity, and address public input.
We will continue to monitor bear harvest trends and
biological information and provide the Fish and
Wildlife Commission with a recommendation for the
2010-2011 fall bear hunting season in March 2010.
The Fish and Wildlife Commission does not have the
authority to regulate hikers.

[Ray]

Smoke screen.

[Aneoakleaf]

SOMEONES HOLDING HANDS WITH THE LIBERALS.        

[billythekidrock]

The Department has received numerous comments on
this recommendation and all of the comments do not
support the change to the August bear season.

This needs to continue.

[shanevg]

Wait a second.  Is this a good thing?  Am I reading this wrong?  Doesn't this response say that they are going to open bear on August 1 this year like normal?  That sounds like a victory to me.  Obviously we need to continue to make our voices heard, but isn't this a small victory?

BTW: Just emailed this to WDFW:

In your revisions to the 2009 hunting proposals you say that the original plan to limit August hunting was due to management and too many bears being harvested.  Although you have changed bear season in 2009 back to the August 1 opener, you have yet to make a decision for 2010-2011 and beyond.  If the true reason for the reduction in bear seasons is sound management and not pressure to close down seasons due to hunter-hiker conflicts, then maybe you should consider limiting harvest limits to 1 bear per hunter and maintain the August 1 - November 15 season that we are used to.  It seems the most logical step to reducing harvest would be reducing harvest limits not season lengths.

[billythekidrock]

Shane, I too see it as a small victory but I am skeptical with the reasoning. They do state that the over whelming response was against the proposal, but I bet they will turn it around and say that it would take a year to notify everyone of the change.

They are going to revisit this next year so we will need to be ready with proposals of our own.

[bobcat]

Yes of course it is a victory. That is why I posted it, just so everybody could see their response to all the negative comments they received regarding the closure of public lands. I do agree that we need to keep an eye on this issue for the 2010 season. I'm sure this will be back on the table again.

[billythekidrock]

I do agree that we need to keep an eye on this issue for the 2010 season. I'm sure this will be back on the table again.

Here is what it says on page 268 of the revised version.

"The change is due to public input supporting the August portion of the fall bear seasons for 2009 to the maximum extent possible within biologically sustainable limits. The Department plans to recommend the 2010-2011 fall bear hunting seasons to the Fish and Wildlife Commission in March 2010."

I could be way off, but I read this as "we need to back off this year, but next year we will push this through with the "bear population" angle instead of the "hunter/nonhunter angle".

[Skyvalhunter]

Yea and wait till time passes with the death of that lady shot by the kid. Trying to passify another group it seems like.

[PWN Kurt]

If the concern is harvest it higher than planned, I like the idea of limiting the tags to one per hunter...or raising the price on the 2nd tag.  I'm glad that the season is staying the same this year...and I'd like to keep the high number of bears.

Kurt

[billythekidrock]

If the concern is harvest it higher than planned, I like the idea of limiting the tags to one per hunter...or raising the prince on the 2nd tag.  I'm glad that the season is staying the same this year...and I'd like to keep the high number of bears.

Kurt

I agree. I would like more bears. Bears, bears everywhere, not a spot to...    well you get the idea.
I think cutting the season in Nov or even Oct would help on incidentals.

[WDFW-SUX]

 

[billythekidrock]

? 

[WDFW-SUX]

Because
we’re “on the bubble” in terms of the biological
justification for reducing bear harvest

More junk science

[billythekidrock]

Not only is it junk science, but I feel it is a "cover up reason". Just wait, I truly believe they will come back next year with a lot of "documentation" on a low population angle.

[WDFW-SUX]

Yup...........thats what you get when you have a flock of retard PETA animal lovers in the Department.

[fc2038]

What a bunch of crap! I love how they are trying to cover up the shooting that happened in the fall. I have seen more bears in the last year than I have ever seen. I would like to know how they really get their numbers. I am sick of this states wildlife division. We have to many  in this damn state. 

Looks like we will have to fight this every year for the next couple. I do agree with the tag limit. If they want to lower the rate they need to drop the second tag. that would be a better starting point if this, "biological justification" BS is true.

[billythekidrock]

Has anyone done the Records Disclosure for the files that InsideWDFW has suggested? I was going to do it, but I didn't want to create more work for F&W if someone here has already done it...and will share it.

[top-pin]

This is a good thing for now and just like the rest of you, I am also concerned for the future. If the population is a problem then maybe 1 bear per season is a great option, but for the state to even request cutting out our August opportunities is ridiculous. It just seems to me that our "great" state of washington, and activist groups such as PETA are working pretty hard to diminish our hunting privileges by focusing on the activities that not as many people take part in. Remember hound hunting? Not enough support to protect themselves. That is why it is so important for everyone to be aware, and concerned for any changes in hunting regulations. whether this be a season you participate in or not, we can never have enough support.

[SHANE(WA)]

I would like to know where they get there numbers too, there are so many damn bears up in North eastern Wa.I remember back when hounding and baiting were legal, it was tough to do a spot and stalk hunt for bears, now its a pick and choose hunt, nothing to see 5 bears a day, the locals are fed up with them, they are rampant up there yet there is like 5 spring tags and it opens in sept lol too funny,also we hunt up there for several weeks and see maybe a couple of hunters, so whos killing all these bears up here, pretty quiet