POLL: Members are complaining about the off-topics, how should it be changed?

[h20hunter]

My opinion....just an opinion is that folks on both sides simply get to heated. I've seen taunting from both sides and it devolves into anything but a productive conversation.

[Green broke]

I originally joined because I love hunting in Washington. This site changed and jaded me pretty quickly.  There is a lot of ill will and down right hatred on this site.  Eye opening and  troubling, especially if you factor in the sad state of affairs the wdfw is in. The reality is huntwa is a good ol boys club and not a place for Indians. That said I willingly signed on but have given up on any thought of a symbiotic coexistence.

[h20hunter]

Green....I like to keep my conversations with those a tad more "local" than me face to face, around a fire, maybe a beverage in hand. I think you add in the sad state of wdfw, tribal vs. non tribal affairs, commercial vs recreational interests and the general bunny hugging of Wa you have a volatile mix. I did not move to Wa until 1998 so I have a different perspective than those born and raised....both tribal and non tribal.

[Special T]

I originally joined because I love hunting in Washington. This site changed and jaded me pretty quickly.  There is a lot of ill will and down right hatred on this site.  Eye opening and  troubling, especially if you factor in the sad state of affairs the wdfw is in. The reality is huntwa is a good ol boys club and not a place for Indians. That said I willingly signed on but have given up on any thought of a symbiotic coexistence.

We get out what we put in. If I were an Indian on this site I would either keep that to myself and enjoy what I could... or make it my mission to educate and elevate the conversation.

I can think of a couple of natives that tried to do just that. I'm not surprised they have become jaded, post less, have left or otherwise abandoned that cause.

Im reminded of this story.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/black-man-daryl-davis-befriends-kkk-documentary-accidental-courtesy_us_585c250de4b0de3a08f495fc

Though this guys love of jazz he was able to change the hearts of some of the very people that hated him.  How? He used the shared interest as a bridge. He is a special kind of guy. I wish there were more like him.

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[Oh Mah]

The only thing i will say about OT is that  WHATS GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER.It depends on who you are in OT as to what you can or can't say.Example if you have been in the forum for 10 years its ribbing,If you have only been here 10 months its attacking,Or harassing a member out and the ban hammer comes down.Sorry but its true and if the members don't want to say it i will.It's true.


Same rules as the rest of the forum for everyone.

[cbond3318]

I originally joined because I love hunting in Washington. This site changed and jaded me pretty quickly.  There is a lot of ill will and down right hatred on this site.  Eye opening and  troubling, especially if you factor in the sad state of affairs the wdfw is in. The reality is huntwa is a good ol boys club and not a place for Indians. That said I willingly signed on but have given up on any thought of a symbiotic coexistence.

Sorry you feel that way, truly. I think there are a lot more good , understanding members here than what gets portrayed. It's just the individuals that can't even bring themselves to utter the word "native" or "wolf"for that matter, are the ones that shout the loudest, and surprise, are usually the ones involved in the train wrecks and drama topics because they can't contain themselves for longer than a school recess.

Again, sorry you feel that way, they do not represent my views or opinions, period.

[Green broke]

I originally joined because I love hunting in Washington. This site changed and jaded me pretty quickly.  There is a lot of ill will and down right hatred on this site.  Eye opening and  troubling, especially if you factor in the sad state of affairs the wdfw is in. The reality is huntwa is a good ol boys club and not a place for Indians. That said I willingly signed on but have given up on any thought of a symbiotic coexistence.

We get out what we put in. If I were an Indian on this site I would either keep that to myself and enjoy what I could... or make it my mission to educate and elevate the conversation.

I can think of a couple of natives that tried to do just that. I'm not surprised they have become jaded, post less, have left or otherwise abandoned that cause.

Im reminded of this story.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/black-man-daryl-davis-befriends-kkk-documentary-accidental-courtesy_us_585c250de4b0de3a08f495fc

Though this guys love of jazz he was able to change the hearts of some of the very people that hated him.  How? He used the shared interest as a bridge. He is a special kind of guy. I wish there were more like him.

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I respectfully disagree.  Very few natives, even ones who have given, get reciprocation in any way shape or form.  Especially if you approach with the thought of common ground and a passion for hunting. 

[Special T]

I originally joined because I love hunting in Washington. This site changed and jaded me pretty quickly.  There is a lot of ill will and down right hatred on this site.  Eye opening and  troubling, especially if you factor in the sad state of affairs the wdfw is in. The reality is huntwa is a good ol boys club and not a place for Indians. That said I willingly signed on but have given up on any thought of a symbiotic coexistence.

We get out what we put in. If I were an Indian on this site I would either keep that to myself and enjoy what I could... or make it my mission to educate and elevate the conversation.

I can think of a couple of natives that tried to do just that. I'm not surprised they have become jaded, post less, have left or otherwise abandoned that cause.

Im reminded of this story.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/black-man-daryl-davis-befriends-kkk-documentary-accidental-courtesy_us_585c250de4b0de3a08f495fc

Though this guys love of jazz he was able to change the hearts of some of the very people that hated him.  How? He used the shared interest as a bridge. He is a special kind of guy. I wish there were more like him.

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I respectfully disagree.  Very few natives, even ones who have given, get reciprocation in any way shape or form.  Especially if you approach with the thought of common ground and a passion for hunting.

Didn't say you would. I also think that if you do some reading on the fellow I linked you could not look at success in the way you describe. It could be said you may need to be a little spun in the head.

Pardon me if this example is mis understood.

A good salesman has to be kind of twisted. He knows he will only make one in 10 sales. Most people when they get to customer 6-9whom say no Will be broken, give up, cry for mercy. The salesman is excited because he know the next one will say yes!

Don't think that Daryl comes away unscathed without being called a list of derogatory names. I also don't fault people for not wanting to be a bunch of peoples punching bag. Surely there arnt that many Black men whom have made it their mission to reform and collect Klansmens hoods as trophies.

There is a mental switch most people don't have. It's where all the negativity is surpassed by the one convert. Be it the clansmen, the new follower of Jesus, or... You could call it a mission, crusade, calling or just a mental affliction, but I wish there were a few more with it... especially on an anynomious forum where no one knows your real name... you don't have to respond to haters, and if you choose you only present the best side of you. 2c

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[bearpaw]

I originally joined because I love hunting in Washington. This site changed and jaded me pretty quickly.  There is a lot of ill will and down right hatred on this site.  Eye opening and  troubling, especially if you factor in the sad state of affairs the wdfw is in. The reality is huntwa is a good ol boys club and not a place for Indians. That said I willingly signed on but have given up on any thought of a symbiotic coexistence.

I agree there are those who are hard core anti-native. But you are sadly mistaken if you think everyone on the forum is that way. By thinking that way you are no better than the ones you are complaining about! I hope you will just give that a little thought?

[PA BEN]

Wahhhh... off topics is great!! If you can't control yourself and what you read then you'll never be happy anyways! People who are interested in off topic subjects but love hunting get to share their point of views with like minded people. Or people who love hunting and think differently... what's not to love?

[dwils233]

Bearpaw

I think one other option would be a hard reset? Literally dump it all and make it a fresh start. Members can understand what that should mean when they sign opt-in again as part of option 2
Maybe do it every couple of years. Nothing wrong with a fresh start?  just a thought

[Mudman]

Just reading the goodbye hunt thread proves my point of eliminating OT.  Too personal and a negative shadow on the whole site.

[Dslayer]

It's almost as if HW is two sites, one for hunting/outdoors, the other OT.  I voted to eliminate OT because it my perfect world I would come here for information directly to the  part of the world I recreate in.  There are 10-12 posters here that I read, and I'm mostly here to read, practically every word they write.  But, of course, it's not a perfect world arranged for only me, but there's good info here making it a valuable resource to me.

I rarely read any OT, but I haven't gotten from it over time a sense how those of us who are out of the NYTimes, WAPO, MSM loop feel about things in this country and was able to see how Trump could  become president-I predicted he could win back in Jan. 2016 which at the time seemed laughable but I gauged that from the sense I gained from folks here on the political threads and extrapolated that across the country.  For that reason alone I get something valuable from the OT.

 I'm a big boy and can choose what to read and not read.  I DO find the anti native negativity disturbing-I'm concerned that sooner or later someone(s) or going to get shot over that issue which is beyond stupidity. 

[jackelope]

Bearpaw

I think one other option would be a hard reset? Literally dump it all and make it a fresh start. Members can understand what that should mean when they sign opt-in again as part of option 2
Maybe do it every couple of years. Nothing wrong with a fresh start?  just a thought

I would never, ever, never, ever in my wildest paoti-halucination induced dreams ever suggest or support the idea of dumping the whole thing.

[bearpaw]

 

Bearpaw

I think one other option would be a hard reset? Literally dump it all and make it a fresh start. Members can understand what that should mean when they sign opt-in again as part of option 2
Maybe do it every couple of years. Nothing wrong with a fresh start?  just a thought

I do like the idea of purging the off topics membership and making everyone join off-topics again so that they consciously know they made the choice to be there. But it's amazing how many members look at old topics on this forum and reference them often. Unless we were to dump off-topics for good, we would never remove any old topics. Jackelope said it pretty well! 

I appreciate your input though and I am considering resetting the membership!