I had no idea about that to be honest with you swanny, until I started to get to know him better. He found out that I hunted and started showing me cell phone pictures; I was jaw dropped. He doesn't hunt, so these elk/bulls were cool to him, but not in the same context as a sportsman. I have been interested in getting into learning how to shoot a bow and develop archery techniques. That area has quality bulls, and sometimes its that small degree of separation and getting matched up with the right people, to be on the path of success.