Author Topic: AR-15 (Read 11953 times)

SFD2015 · « **on:** February 27, 2009, 05:32:25 PM »

I am looking to purchase a good mid priced AR-15 in 5.56. Any thoughts on manufacturers or sellers (Private or Dealer at this point)? Looking to purchase this because of the recent attacks on our 2nd Amendment rights. Please help a brother out!

Thanks,
Kris

Gutpile · « **Reply #1 on:** February 27, 2009, 05:35:48 PM »

Whats mid price??? I've got one in the classifieds. Make me an offer.

norsepeak · « **Reply #2 on:** February 27, 2009, 10:59:49 PM »

Good luck! I just bought one last week, and had a very hard time finding a quality gun and it was exspensive. Hammers in Yakima had one left when I was in there....

huntnphool · « **Reply #3 on:** February 28, 2009, 12:08:05 PM »

There are AR's being put up in our clasifieds almost weekly, keep your eyes open. You could also check out http://www.gunbroker.com/GunBrokers.asp

buck470 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 06, 2009, 02:22:14 PM »

I'm in the same boat, want to pick up an AR before they ban them.

What are the opinions on some of the gun's that are out there? as far as Stay away from, Awesome! or standard will do the trick.

I would want something that could be changed around, played with till i get it set up the way i want.

Help a guy out?

huntnphool · « **Reply #5 on:** March 06, 2009, 06:11:04 PM »

I am very happy with my Bushmasters

demontang · « **Reply #6 on:** March 06, 2009, 09:58:18 PM »

Olympic arms make some great Ar's for the money and so does DPMS. The ar's wont be on the hit list for a few year because of the bail out stuff right now. I would just order one and want of find a good deal on a used one.

actionshooter · « **Reply #7 on:** March 06, 2009, 10:02:34 PM »

Rock River, Bushmaster, Olympic, DPMS, Armalite, all about the same. Colts are good also but lots moe $$$$ (for thew name). Rock Rivers have a lot of options for the money. It all comes down to personal preference.
No such thing as reasonable right now, and maybe never again

Fishhunt223 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 06, 2009, 11:16:08 PM »

Most of them are exactly the same because they are to milspec. All of their parts are interchangeable. You just have to figure out what you want in a gun. Ar15s are one of the most versatile guns out there, they can be accurate enough for precision shooting or can be built for clearing rooms. The only ones that you really have to stay away from are Vulcan arms. I think they have changed their name to blackthorne or something like that but they have bad news written all over them. Also, stay away from the olympic arms plinker models. As far as already assembled guns, dpms, bushmaster, rock river arms, colt, armalite, stag, noveske, eagle arms, and lmt are good, just to name a few.
Travis

FALFire · « **Reply #9 on:** March 07, 2009, 06:45:14 AM »

No reason to avoid the newer Plinker Plus model form Oly, it's a good unit. The older model Plinker used a cast receiver but the new ones all use Forged stuff.

http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=50&category_id=7&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=37

Fishhunt223 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 07, 2009, 07:56:30 AM »

Quote from: FALFire on March 07, 2009, 06:45:14 AM

No reason to avoid the newer Plinker Plus model form Oly, it's a good unit. The older model Plinker used a cast receiver but the new ones all use Forged stuff.

http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=50&category_id=7&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=37

Then i stand corrected. Did that solve their cycling issues?
Travis

thinkingman · « **Reply #11 on:** March 07, 2009, 08:39:07 AM »

Avoid Hesse.
ABC's are good bet (Armalite, Bushmaster, Colt)
I have a Rock River that is fantastic.
Prices are crazy right now.
Maybe similar to high cap magazines a few years ago.
A magazine that cost $100 6 yrs ago can be had for $20 today.
You never know but you're buying into the frenzy.

demontang · « **Reply #12 on:** March 07, 2009, 08:57:38 AM »

You can order an oly k16 for around $830 or a k8 for around $900 but its a couple month want. Look around and dont pay more then there worth because thats what is driving the price hike and dealers

TheHunt · « **Reply #13 on:** March 07, 2009, 10:17:03 AM »

How much is a cheaper AR-15 lower unit? I could then build it up in a later time.

demontang · « **Reply #14 on:** March 07, 2009, 10:50:56 AM »

good luck finding one, noone is selling new lower because they are all going in to complete rifles and if you do find one they seem to be running around 500 complete and a upper is 400+. Your better off getting a complete rifle unless you find a hell of a deal on a lower.

scoyoc5 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 07, 2009, 12:06:39 PM »

heres a link to check out...

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=121&t=573213

Gearhead1940 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 09, 2009, 05:26:19 AM »

Quote from: TheHunt on March 07, 2009, 10:17:03 AM

How much is a cheaper AR-15 lower unit? I could then build it up in a later time.

Just saw an S&W stripped lower at Bullseye in Tacoma for $130 and they had 7-8 assembled lowers (RockRiverArms?) with collapsable stocks going for in thr $400 range. Last gun show at Puyallup I saw about 12-18 lowers in the $140-200 range.

www.rainierarms.com deals primarly in lowers, it shoud give you a better idea of what they are going for.

FALFire · « **Reply #17 on:** March 09, 2009, 06:09:48 AM »

Quote from: Fishhunt223 on March 07, 2009, 07:56:30 AM

Quote from: FALFire on March 07, 2009, 06:45:14 AM
No reason to avoid the newer Plinker Plus model form Oly, it's a good unit. The older model Plinker used a cast receiver but the new ones all use Forged stuff.

http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=50&category_id=7&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=37
Then i stand corrected. Did that solve their cycling issues?
Travis

That's a pretty broad statement. Are you talking about one particular Oly Arms Plinker or about every AR15 that Oly ever made?

Lots of AR's have cycling issuses regardless of brand. I've seen many Bushmasters, Colts, Rock River Arms and DPMS with cycling issues, mostly Bushmasters though. Even the very popular Armalite AR10's suffered major cycling issues with the first generation mags. The most common cycling issue with any AR15 is the magazines. You get good mags, they cycle pretty good.

There have been many threads on Predator Masters and AR15.COM where custom built AR's from Mike Milli had cycling problems. Lots of new AR users and reloaders use incapatible powders, cheap mags or junk ammo and they end up with...you guessed it.

About 15 years ago I had an AR10 custom built by JP Enterprises and that thing would'nt cycle for crap. That was an $1800 match grade target rifle built by some of the best AR guys in the business and I couldn't get more than 3 or 4 rounds out of it before it would hang up. Later when the new Gen II mags came about it cycled 100% but I had already sold it to a friend by then and now he is very happy with it. Once the 1994 gun ban went away, manufactures were able to produce and sell improved high capacity mags that have significantly improved the reliability of AR's including the flood of new calibers you see available these days. This is one of the very reasons so many people are buying up mags by the cases to stash once the new assault weapons ban goes into place when and if it ever does.

All I can tell you is the Plinker models from Oly used to be made from cast aluminum, as a matter of fact, all OLY AR15 uppers and lowers used to be just cast aluminum. Remember SGW? Oly Arms left the Plinker model last on the upgrade list mainly to keep the overall cost down but it was costing them in replacement forged lowers on warranty repairs so they finally upgraded. The standard these days is forged aluminum across the board and now some are showing up with custom billet uppers and lowers.

I hope this helps those that are not up to speed with AR's, there are way too many rumors out there that are passed on by others that never really know what they are talking about, instead just merely continue to pass on bad info.

Fishhunt223 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 09, 2009, 05:38:24 PM »

Thanks for the info. I am still iffy on the plinker model. More than likely, it wouldnt affect anyone on here anyhow. I know that olympic arms barrels are top quality. They offer some of the only broach cut stock barrels on the market and at the best price.

So with all of these new variants, do they use milspec ar parts? Does anybody have any experience with the 6.8?
Travis

FALFire · « **Reply #19 on:** March 09, 2009, 06:22:04 PM »

Most parts are milspec until you get into the oddball calibers but still, most lowers and uppers will accept most mil-spec small parts. There are commercial and mil-spec buffer tubes that may or may not interchange with all adjustable stocks and commercial bolt carriers and then of course you have certain fire control groups that are commercial only. Once you get into the WSSM, 450 Busmaster, Grendel based barrels and bolts, then of course, they are not likely to be mil-spec. Wildcat calibers are not used by the Armed Forces so I would think it would be safe to assume that they are commercial only. I wouldn't get to hung up on mil-spec only stuff, as most of the commercial stuff is as good or better. Unless of course you are going into battle with said weapon and need the ability to swap parts from another likewise firearm.

What do you want to know about the 6.8? I have built 4 or 5 and, although I'm not an expert, I may be able to help answer some of your questions.

ICEMAN · « **Reply #20 on:** March 09, 2009, 06:59:02 PM »

Quote from: Fishhunt223 on March 09, 2009, 05:38:24 PM

Thanks for the info. I am still iffy on the plinker model. More than likely, it wouldnt affect anyone on here anyhow. I know that olympic arms barrels are top quality. They offer some of the only broach cut stock barrels on the market and at the best price.

Travis

I love my plinker plus. Good enough for me.

RailRob · « **Reply #21 on:** March 14, 2009, 10:40:25 AM »

I know of at least one in spokane, not sure of price....

byrdman · « **Reply #22 on:** March 17, 2009, 09:22:01 PM »

These guys are not one of the more popular brands, but for the price I would buy one of these if I needed more lowers right now.

And yes, they are forged...

http://www.essentialarms.com/

Fishhunt223 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 18, 2009, 07:47:57 PM »

Quote from: byrdman on March 17, 2009, 09:22:01 PM

These guys are not one of the more popular brands, but for the price I would buy one of these if I needed more lowers right now.

And yes, they are forged...

http://www.essentialarms.com/

The usual price for most lowers is around $100, you just cant find them in stock right now.
Travis

gage_06 · « **Reply #24 on:** April 05, 2009, 08:38:56 PM »

I just got home from the WAC show in MOnroe and there were several private party AR's available (that would be your best bet), SNS arms out of Snohomish makes a real decent one and they tend to be affordable. There was a 20" bull barell at the show for $1000 OBO. I have one and am real happy with how it shoots. You can do better with adjustable triggers or even the two stage triggers, but then the price goes up. There was an Olypic arms ultramatch there with Leopauld scope and bipod for $1500. and some high priced bushmasters. The next WAC show will be in puyallup I believe the weekend of the 25th. The nice thing about WAC shows, is that you have to be a member to buy and sell and you have to pass a background check to be a member.

madmack76 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 23, 2009, 11:31:51 PM »

one nicething to think about with olympic arms go look at there warrenty if something breacks its covered

huntnphool · « **Reply #26 on:** April 23, 2009, 11:37:33 PM »

Quote from: madmack76 on April 23, 2009, 11:31:51 PM

one nicething to think about with olympic arms go look at there warrenty if something breacks its covered

Ya, either that or you go to prison.

madmack76 · « **Reply #27 on:** April 24, 2009, 02:01:52 AM »

what?

madmack76 · « **Reply #28 on:** April 24, 2009, 02:04:44 AM »

not quite understanding you comment huntingpool

jeepasaurusrex · « **Reply #29 on:** April 24, 2009, 05:42:19 AM »

Check out SNS Industries in Snohomish.

http://www.snsindustriesinc.com/

actionshooter · « **Reply #30 on:** April 24, 2009, 08:39:47 AM »

Quote from: huntnphool on April 23, 2009, 11:37:33 PM

Quote from: madmack76 on April 23, 2009, 11:31:51 PM
one nicething to think about with olympic arms go look at there warrenty if something breacks its covered

Ya, either that or you go to prison.

curious as well

chasek302 · « **Reply #31 on:** April 25, 2009, 07:24:01 PM »

I love my rock river. Its the second one i have owned. DPMS, Bushmaster, Armalite, and Olympic arms all good stuff.

GUscottie · « **Reply #32 on:** April 26, 2009, 02:00:12 AM »

If you are looking to build an AR, I've been noticing that you can find stripped lowers readily available. Parts kits are hard to find, and even harder to find are the Upper Receivers...They are 3-36 months out depending on which company you go with...The gunshop I work at has S&W, Charles Daly, and Tactical Innovations lowers as we speak. As previously stated, prices are getting outrageous, but if you are looking for a quality rifle at a decent price, Del-Ton is running about 900, otherwise, I can't seem to find or hear of rifles for less than 1000 anywhere

Fishhunt223 · « **Reply #33 on:** April 26, 2009, 11:04:31 PM »

M&A parts has still got complete kits for a decent price. Their website always shows out of stock but they actually have quite a bit of stock or they did a few weeks ago. You just have to call, and wait times have been at about a month the last time I heard.
Travis

Gearhead1940 · « **Reply #34 on:** April 27, 2009, 07:22:48 AM »

I ordered my upper from Stag Arms back in February and was quoted at 25 weeks for the backorder. Recently there was a post about Del-Ton on AR15.com that they were backordered 20,000 rifles! Currently they are filling orders that were placed in early November. I'm on the fence about ordering a 2nd kit to build an M4 clone. If I order it now it should be here by Christmas!

If you are looking for something to have right now, be prepared to pay top dollar (crazy prices down at the Puyallup show this past weekend). If now, just be prepared to be very patient.

huntnphool · « **Reply #35 on:** April 27, 2009, 04:38:28 PM »

Quote from: madmack76 on April 24, 2009, 02:04:44 AM

not quite understanding you comment huntingpool

It was only a joke but it was in reference to this;

madmack76 · « **Reply #36 on:** April 27, 2009, 06:25:01 PM »

well now it makes sense.

400out · « **Reply #37 on:** April 27, 2009, 07:28:45 PM »

Quote from: huntnphool on April 27, 2009, 04:38:28 PM

Quote from: madmack76 on April 24, 2009, 02:04:44 AM
not quite understanding you comment huntingpool

It was only a joke but it was in reference to this;

That's a bunch of horse sh*t if you put 500 to 800 rounds through any gun something is bound to get jammed up be the action, trigger, ect. they wound have to take my gun safe mussell first!

huntnphool · « **Reply #38 on:** April 27, 2009, 07:51:26 PM »

Agreed 400 they are hanging this poor guy out to dry, making an example out of him.

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