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Hope its just my paranoid mind , but be careful about multiple hunting law violations advertised on the interweb.
Quote from: acrim on September 29, 2017, 03:25:22 PMHope its just my paranoid mind , but be careful about multiple hunting law violations advertised on the interweb.copy that...i'm always dumfounded by the amount of illegal activities that get posted on social media websites
Don't forget he was baiting it in with his "compost pile". I'm kidding!
I realize you were just trying to scare the bear off, but do you trust all potential LE that may read this to give you the same benefit of the doubt? Attached below is the definition of "To Hunt" from the regs. So, given that what you did technically meets that definition, violations could include hunting after hours and hunting with illegal equipment. Using the self defense argument after the fact would be a stretch since if the individual was truly acting in self defense, the hunting bow that meets the minimum draw weight with broadheads would be a more appropriate weapon. Again, I'm not trying to blast you, and I'm about as pro LE as one can get, but you would be wrong to think there aren't wardens who would try and make this same stretch.
So when does a bear in your backyard become a threat,I think this would be my question for Leo.Cause are you really harassing a bear once it becomes a threat or does it fall into the self defence part of the law.These are all questions that we would like to know,and everbody has a different answer or opinion,that must be respected,But these would be good questions for LEO.
Quote from: hunter399 on October 02, 2017, 08:10:26 AMSo when does a bear in your backyard become a threat,I think this would be my question for Leo.Cause are you really harassing a bear once it becomes a threat or does it fall into the self defence part of the law.These are all questions that we would like to know,and everbody has a different answer or opinion,that must be respected,But these would be good questions for LEO.When? When you hit it with an arrow from a 15 lb bow?
Like I said everybody got different opinions.but the only one that matters is a Leo.
Quote from: hunter399 on October 02, 2017, 08:38:07 AMLike I said everybody got different opinions.but the only one that matters is a Leo.Not that a LEO can't cause a big headache, but thankfully the only one with an opinion that matters is a judge.
I'd have 12 opinions of my peers. before I had a single opinion of a judge
Quote from: pianoman9701 on October 02, 2017, 08:24:19 AMQuote from: hunter399 on October 02, 2017, 08:10:26 AMSo when does a bear in your backyard become a threat,I think this would be my question for Leo.Cause are you really harassing a bear once it becomes a threat or does it fall into the self defence part of the law.These are all questions that we would like to know,and everbody has a different answer or opinion,that must be respected,But these would be good questions for LEO.When? When you hit it with an arrow from a 15 lb bow? I was thinking maybe hungry bear on a compost pile,I don't think I'm getting between a bear and a food source.Would it be different if he used a sling shot,bb gun,bear spray,what do you do if you don't have bear spray,let the bear charge you,your dog,your kid,before it become a threat.Like I said everybody got different opinions.but the only one that matters is a Leo.
Remember when the LEO's come for you do not offer to give them the bow. If they want the bow as evidence make them seize it without your permission. Don't interfere with them taking the bow but make it clear you are not willing giving them the bow.
Curious if this would get me 10 preference points???
Quote from: hunter399 on October 02, 2017, 08:38:07 AMQuote from: pianoman9701 on October 02, 2017, 08:24:19 AMQuote from: hunter399 on October 02, 2017, 08:10:26 AMSo when does a bear in your backyard become a threat,I think this would be my question for Leo.Cause are you really harassing a bear once it becomes a threat or does it fall into the self defence part of the law.These are all questions that we would like to know,and everbody has a different answer or opinion,that must be respected,But these would be good questions for LEO.When? When you hit it with an arrow from a 15 lb bow? I was thinking maybe hungry bear on a compost pile,I don't think I'm getting between a bear and a food source.Would it be different if he used a sling shot,bb gun,bear spray,what do you do if you don't have bear spray,let the bear charge you,your dog,your kid,before it become a threat.Like I said everybody got different opinions.but the only one that matters is a Leo.I think that the opinions expressed are out of concern for the OP. Once you post it, the LE and courts take over and will use a post as evidence. They've fined people for not clamping down the barbs on a hook enough. I have little doubt some of them would look at this and go investigate.
Quote from: Pegasus on October 02, 2017, 11:01:14 AMRemember when the LEO's come for you do not offer to give them the bow. If they want the bow as evidence make them seize it without your permission. Don't interfere with them taking the bow but make it clear you are not willing giving them the bow.Why is that?
Quote from: smithkl42 on October 02, 2017, 05:47:23 PMQuote from: Pegasus on October 02, 2017, 11:01:14 AMRemember when the LEO's come for you do not offer to give them the bow. If they want the bow as evidence make them seize it without your permission. Don't interfere with them taking the bow but make it clear you are not willing giving them the bow.Why is that?If you say they can have it when they ask, they can use it against you. This goes for anything that may be used as evidence. But if they take it without your permission, there's a possibility that a judge will throw out the evidence as an unreasonable search/seizure. This is decent advice anytime you are dealing with law enforcement. Best advice. Tell them you ain't gonna say anything without legal representation. End of story. They gonna take whatever they want. In the end if no crime was committed. You will get your belongings back. Wouldn't even answer the simplest of questions without a lawyer next you. For this instance. Your right kinda jumping the gun. Nothing gonna happen. The OP did what he thought was right. To each their own. Theirs people that would of done less. Then theirs people that would of filled their freezer with that bear. Everyone handles things differently.
Quote from: yakimanoob on October 02, 2017, 11:01:07 PMQuote from: smithkl42 on October 02, 2017, 05:47:23 PMQuote from: Pegasus on October 02, 2017, 11:01:14 AMRemember when the LEO's come for you do not offer to give them the bow. If they want the bow as evidence make them seize it without your permission. Don't interfere with them taking the bow but make it clear you are not willing giving them the bow.Why is that?If you say they can have it when they ask, they can use it against you. This goes for anything that may be used as evidence. But if they take it without your permission, there's a possibility that a judge will throw out the evidence as an unreasonable search/seizure. This is decent advice anytime you are dealing with law enforcement. Best advice. Tell them you ain't gonna say anything without legal representation. End of story. They gonna take whatever they want. In the end if no crime was committed. You will get your belongings back. Wouldn't even answer the simplest of questions without a lawyer next you. For this instance. Your right kinda jumping the gun. Nothing gonna happen. The OP did what he thought was right. To each their own. Theirs people that would of done less. Then theirs people that would of filled their freezer with that bear. Everyone handles things differently.I was kidding about the LEOs showing up to investigate this "heinous crime". However stranger things have been done by overly-aggressive LEOs. My advice about the giving of evidence or having it seized is still correct. LEOs are trained in how to ask your permission to take evidence and unless you are forewarned you won't even catch what he is doing. If they think it is necessary enough to train for this then they know it is an important procedure that can affect the outcome of a case. In this case imagine how ridiculous the LEO would appear as the attorneys argue over the proper taking a child's toy bow in front of a judge. Some judges will only tolerate just so much nonsense before they throw a case out of court.