Should 209 primers be legal?

[Bob33]

WDFW WILDLIFE PROGRAM
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091
wildthing@dfw.wa.gov

Dear Elk and Deer Hunters,

As part of the outreach to the hunting public for the upcoming 2018-2020 three-year hunting season package, the Fish and Wildlife Commission requested the department include a discussion of muzzleloader equipment.  Therefore, we are conducting a short survey at this time that is specific to whether 209 primers should be allowed as part of the ignition system for muzzleloader firearms during muzzleloader seasons.  Currently, 209 primers or any primer designed to be used in centerfire cartridges are not allowed for muzzleloader hunting in Washington state except for muzzleloaders used during modern firearm seasons. 

Please take 5 minutes out of your busy schedule to answer the four questions in the survey at the link provided below.  The department will consider all survey input received before October 31 at 5:00 p.m.

Link: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/N2JZMPG

Thank you for all that you do for wildlife in the state of Washington and thank you for your interest in hunting season development for the 2018-2020 seasons.

Respectfully,

Anis Aoude
Game Division manager

[bowhunterforever]

No

[Duckslayer89]

I just got on here to post this. I say hell ya and keep the open sights rule. Washington is so wet and rainy let us use the 209 primers.

[Mfowl]

No, you can use them during modern season already. Keep it a primitive weapon season.

[CP]

Yes.  Scopes too.

[steeleywhopper]

Let us use 209,it’s just an ignition source it’s not turning a muzzy into a 7mm-08.

[cm2cb4]

Just submitted the survey with a resounding yes. I wish I could have added a comment though. I think that 209 is fine as long as primitive / No 11 primer users get to hunt the last week of archery into the first week of October. Then 209 users get the first weekend of October up to modern rifle. After that, all can add scopes unless you have a medical reason for placing on a scope during muzzy season. Spreads the season out a bit and gives everyone a fair chance

[vandeman17]

Just submitted the survey with a resounding yes. I wish I could have added a comment though. I think that 209 is fine as long as primitive / No 11 primer users get to hunt the last week of archery into the first week of October. Then 209 users get the first weekend of October up to modern rifle. After that, all can add scopes unless you have a medical reason for placing on a scope during muzzy season. Spreads the season out a bit and gives everyone a fair chance

In a word, no.

[rackattack]

Wish I could have commented on my no answer.  I like it the way it is, if you want a modern ignition system then go modern firearm season.  My worry is then muzzleloading success goes up and I lose more days that I can hunt.

[Mallardmasher]

No
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I said yes, people are wrapping their breaches with siran wrap. Taping their barrel, we live in a rain forest. Anything to make your shot more powerful, it is not going to increase your range.

[JimmyHoffa]

I had to put no.  Until WDFW determines if it is supposed to be a primitive season or muzzleloading season, I'll defer to primitive. If just a muzzleloading season then scopes/209/two barrels/etc would be fine, but I would need to see how they move seasons and adjust lengths first.

Let us use 209,it’s just an ignition source it’s not turning a muzzy into a 7mm-08.

maybe not that extreme, but it does add quite a bit to the muzzy.  The hottest #11 magnums or musket caps are really only good for about 110-120 gr of FFg or two pellets.  With the 209s you can go to 150+ gr or FFg or use three pellets.

[Duckslayer89]

I had to put no.  Until WDFW determines if it is supposed to be a primitive season or muzzleloading season, I'll defer to primitive. If just a muzzleloading season then scopes/209/two barrels/etc would be fine, but I would need to see how they move seasons and adjust lengths first.

Let us use 209,it’s just an ignition source it’s not turning a muzzy into a 7mm-08.

maybe not that extreme, but it does add quite a bit to the muzzy.  The hottest #11 magnums or musket caps are really only good for about 110-120 gr of FFg or two pellets.  With the 209s you can go to 150+ gr or FFg or use three pellets.

I don't think the extra 50 grains really gives the bullet all that much more power but could be wrong

[Whitenuckles]

I don't muzzy hunt often. But I voted yes. Anything to advance the hunters agenda and not the tree huggers is a win in my book.

[CP]

I had to put no.  Until WDFW determines if it is supposed to be a primitive season or muzzleloading season, I'll defer to primitive. If just a muzzleloading season then scopes/209/two barrels/etc would be fine, but I would need to see how they move seasons and adjust lengths first.

Let us use 209,it’s just an ignition source it’s not turning a muzzy into a 7mm-08.

maybe not that extreme, but it does add quite a bit to the muzzy.  The hottest #11 magnums or musket caps are really only good for about 110-120 gr of FFg or two pellets.  With the 209s you can go to 150+ gr or FFg or use three pellets.

That's not my experience.  I shoot 209s at the range over chrono and the FPS difference over musket caps is insignificant.  velocity peaks around 110g and actually decreases with more powder -209 or MCs no difference

[tbotts]

i voted yes.