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So, for all you smoke pole guys, how often do you have a filed ignition, one that a 209 primer would have prevented, and while attempting a shot at an animal? And how often did it cause you to not get a shot off ie: weren't able to re- cap in time for a second chance? (I'm not a muzzy guy so please bare with me on the lingo)Are mis-fires a real issue for you?Maybe a poll of our own is necessary. I'm just curious if adding these primers will actually cause an increase in the amount of game taken, or if it's just a luxury that would make things easier and more reliable.
So I got curious and started looking at other states. In the west it seems like it is WA and Idaho that are the only ones that don't allow 209 primers during muzzle loader season only in the western states.
I did see some states don't allow pellets and a lot of open sights only. I didn't have time to go through all 50 states but I did some random ones here and there and I see that almost all allowed 209 primers during ML only season. So for the one that say no to 209 primers is it just because of season length. I agree with I think Machias that said it is pretty bad that all of us as hunters are split and pitted against each other. I like learning all methods of hunting and enjoy aspects of them all. I know as an archery hunter we do get a pretty good dates for elk season but I don't mind changes to allow for others to get in on a better part of the season for the method. I think ML season pretty much stinks one week. I said 3 years ago a wrote the game department. I even talked to the manager of game management back then and asked them why can't we at least give each method at least 2 weekends for their seasons. I have the chance to talk to the manager who put out the survey. The NWTF is working with the department to rewrite the turkey plan. He is willing to listen and make some changes that will benefit us all as hunters.
Quote from: Russ McDonald on October 05, 2017, 01:57:31 PMSo I got curious and started looking at other states. In the west it seems like it is WA and Idaho that are the only ones that don't allow 209 primers during muzzle loader season only in the western states.Think you need to add in Oregon. It is a Pacific Northwest thing...Quote I see it now. Didn't see it because they used center fire primer instead of 209
I see it now. Didn't see it because they used center fire primer instead of 209
I don't see it as hunters pitted against each other. The state reached out to see what we think and we are having an open discussion. It doesn't seem too realistic for hunters to agree on 100% of the things 100% of the time. Nothing wrong with a good discussion in my book.
Quote from: Stein on October 05, 2017, 02:00:35 PMI don't see it as hunters pitted against each other. The state reached out to see what we think and we are having an open discussion. It doesn't seem too realistic for hunters to agree on 100% of the things 100% of the time. Nothing wrong with a good discussion in my book.This survey is not pitting us against each other, the state has already done that with creating the choose your weapons requirement. You don't have this fighting in the vast majority of states, because modern firearms guys are not jealous of the long season the bowhunters have, because if they wanted to bowhunt they could. We on the other hand are jealous if the archery hunters get an extra day or if the muzzle loaders dates are in a more prime time, because we are all fighting for days in the field and the "enemy" is the other user groups. In other states they could care less if you hunt with a lighted sight on your bow with mechanical heads, shooting lazers out of the nock. They don't care if you have a scoped crossbow in archery season. They could care less if you have a scoped, inline muzzleloader, shooting 209 primers. None of the hunters fight like we do, because if you don't want to use that equipment then you don't. If you do, great. I was a big proponent, for a long time, of no electronics on the bow or arrow. After living there and realizing what other guys were using had ZERO impact on me, I stopped worrying about. I personally don't like lighted nocks, so I didn't use them. Despised crossbows during the archery season, then went to a state that allowed them, so I tried them. Hunted for 2 weeks with a crossbow and hated it. Sold it and went back to a compound bow.
Quote from: Machias on October 05, 2017, 03:05:51 PMQuote from: Stein on October 05, 2017, 02:00:35 PMI don't see it as hunters pitted against each other. The state reached out to see what we think and we are having an open discussion. It doesn't seem too realistic for hunters to agree on 100% of the things 100% of the time. Nothing wrong with a good discussion in my book.This survey is not pitting us against each other, the state has already done that with creating the choose your weapons requirement. You don't have this fighting in the vast majority of states, because modern firearms guys are not jealous of the long season the bowhunters have, because if they wanted to bowhunt they could. We on the other hand are jealous if the archery hunters get an extra day or if the muzzle loaders dates are in a more prime time, because we are all fighting for days in the field and the "enemy" is the other user groups. In other states they could care less if you hunt with a lighted sight on your bow with mechanical heads, shooting lazers out of the nock. They don't care if you have a scoped crossbow in archery season. They could care less if you have a scoped, inline muzzleloader, shooting 209 primers. None of the hunters fight like we do, because if you don't want to use that equipment then you don't. If you do, great. I was a big proponent, for a long time, of no electronics on the bow or arrow. After living there and realizing what other guys were using had ZERO impact on me, I stopped worrying about. I personally don't like lighted nocks, so I didn't use them. Despised crossbows during the archery season, then went to a state that allowed them, so I tried them. Hunted for 2 weeks with a crossbow and hated it. Sold it and went back to a compound bow.Just what I wanted to say and meant Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk