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Quote from: olyguy79 on November 17, 2017, 08:43:16 AMQuote from: bearpaw on November 17, 2017, 08:35:35 AMQuote from: bigtex on November 17, 2017, 08:34:10 AMQuote from: bearpaw on November 17, 2017, 08:29:14 AMI'm waiting for him to work on the ESA! Only congress can change the ESA. That's why I said work on the ESA!And what do you suggest?2ndRequire proof a specie is critically engangered before it can be given ESA protection. Case in point, 60,000 wolves in existence in North America and they were give ESA protection. Meanwhile caribou are going extinct because of ESA protections on wolves!
Quote from: bearpaw on November 17, 2017, 08:35:35 AMQuote from: bigtex on November 17, 2017, 08:34:10 AMQuote from: bearpaw on November 17, 2017, 08:29:14 AMI'm waiting for him to work on the ESA! Only congress can change the ESA. That's why I said work on the ESA!And what do you suggest?
Quote from: bigtex on November 17, 2017, 08:34:10 AMQuote from: bearpaw on November 17, 2017, 08:29:14 AMI'm waiting for him to work on the ESA! Only congress can change the ESA. That's why I said work on the ESA!
Quote from: bearpaw on November 17, 2017, 08:29:14 AMI'm waiting for him to work on the ESA! Only congress can change the ESA.
I'm waiting for him to work on the ESA!
Quote from: olyguy79 on November 17, 2017, 08:43:16 AMQuote from: bearpaw on November 17, 2017, 08:35:35 AMQuote from: bigtex on November 17, 2017, 08:34:10 AMQuote from: bearpaw on November 17, 2017, 08:29:14 AMI'm waiting for him to work on the ESA! Only congress can change the ESA. That's why I said work on the ESA!And what do you suggest?1st on the ListEliminate the ability for antihunting groups to sue and get reimbursed, the anti-hunting groups are getting rich off taxpayers by sueing over the ESA.2ndRequire proof a specie is critically engangered before it can be given ESA protection. Case in point, 60,000 wolves in existence in North America and they were give ESA protection. Meanwhile caribou are going extinct because of ESA protections on wolves!
Quote from: pianoman9701 on November 17, 2017, 08:14:45 AMI saw this. I bet the animal rights people are losing their minds right now.
I saw this. I bet the animal rights people are losing their minds right now.
Never really understood shooting an animal as just a trophy.... If you aren't going to eat it why not let it be, especially when elephants are populations are on decline.
Quote from: bearpaw on November 17, 2017, 10:20:41 AMQuote from: olyguy79 on November 17, 2017, 08:43:16 AMQuote from: bearpaw on November 17, 2017, 08:35:35 AMQuote from: bigtex on November 17, 2017, 08:34:10 AMQuote from: bearpaw on November 17, 2017, 08:29:14 AMI'm waiting for him to work on the ESA! Only congress can change the ESA. That's why I said work on the ESA!And what do you suggest?1st on the ListEliminate the ability for antihunting groups to sue and get reimbursed, the anti-hunting groups are getting rich off taxpayers by sueing over the ESA.2ndRequire proof a specie is critically engangered before it can be given ESA protection. Case in point, 60,000 wolves in existence in North America and they were give ESA protection. Meanwhile caribou are going extinct because of ESA protections on wolves!Now if you're gonna say wolves shouldn't have protection anywhere because there are 60,000 of them in North America, you can't say caribou are going extinct when there are about 1 to 2 million of them in North America.
Quote from: Sitka_Blacktail on November 17, 2017, 11:43:17 AMQuote from: bearpaw on November 17, 2017, 10:20:41 AMQuote from: olyguy79 on November 17, 2017, 08:43:16 AMQuote from: bearpaw on November 17, 2017, 08:35:35 AMQuote from: bigtex on November 17, 2017, 08:34:10 AMQuote from: bearpaw on November 17, 2017, 08:29:14 AMI'm waiting for him to work on the ESA! Only congress can change the ESA. That's why I said work on the ESA!And what do you suggest?1st on the ListEliminate the ability for antihunting groups to sue and get reimbursed, the anti-hunting groups are getting rich off taxpayers by sueing over the ESA.2ndRequire proof a specie is critically engangered before it can be given ESA protection. Case in point, 60,000 wolves in existence in North America and they were give ESA protection. Meanwhile caribou are going extinct because of ESA protections on wolves!Now if you're gonna say wolves shouldn't have protection anywhere because there are 60,000 of them in North America, you can't say caribou are going extinct when there are about 1 to 2 million of them in North America.You might want to look that up. Boreal Woodland Caribou are listed as threatened in Canada. Don't confuse them with other caribou species which are abundant.Consider this though, lynx are very abundant in Canada and AK. The lower 48 has a few but they are on the periphery of their range. WA, ID, MT, MN, and Maine have a few and this has spawned a raft full of lawsuits with intended purpose of stopping trapping in the mentioned states. Maine has been hit the hardest because they actually have a decent lynx population in the northern part of the state. They finally received an incidental take permit from the USFWS which as I remember limits them to 5 lynx over 7 years. Still they have problems because the lynx population is growing because of habitat changes (more logging). the difference of literally a few feet could mean the shut down of trapping in northern Maine or another Lynx pelt legally sent to market on the Canadian side.Then you have Polar Bears which seem to be at or near a peak in population but are on the threatened list because of maybe global warming might effect them at some point in the future?
Trump has just ordered the lifting of the ban to be placed on hold.
Quote from: bearpaw on November 17, 2017, 10:20:41 AMQuote from: olyguy79 on November 17, 2017, 08:43:16 AMQuote from: bearpaw on November 17, 2017, 08:35:35 AMQuote from: bigtex on November 17, 2017, 08:34:10 AMQuote from: bearpaw on November 17, 2017, 08:29:14 AMI'm waiting for him to work on the ESA! Only congress can change the ESA. That's why I said work on the ESA!And what do you suggest?2ndRequire proof a specie is critically engangered before it can be given ESA protection. Case in point, 60,000 wolves in existence in North America and they were give ESA protection. Meanwhile caribou are going extinct because of ESA protections on wolves!Proof is required, that's why NMFS and USFWS decline to list species every year. You have people like a retired WA DOF biologist in the Olympia area who has petitioned NMFS to essentially list every salmon/steelhead/bottomfish in WA, most of which NMFS has declined to list.The biggest issue I've seen is the de-listing. USFWS/NMFS goes to de-list and bam lawsuit which many times is upheld by a judge.You can't put a blanket number on the recovery of all species because I would assume most would agree that 1,000 wolves is different than 1,000 steelhead.
Quote from: Bookworm007 on November 17, 2017, 06:09:09 PMNever really understood shooting an animal as just a trophy.... If you aren't going to eat it why not let it be, especially when elephants are populations are on decline.Please educate yourself about elephant hunting and African hunting in general. Every bit of the animal is eaten or utilized in some way by locals and neighbors. They are very appreciative and flock to the kill sites. Elephant hunting benefits the animals and communities in many ways.