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Offline Robm78

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Are you kidding me?
« on: November 21, 2017, 09:16:30 AM »
I just felt like complaining somewhere...lol

I just read that if the gate is Weyerhauser, you have to pay $200+ per person to drive......Ok....that just sucks but hey, I'll walk....nope, thats $50!!!!!
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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2017, 09:17:45 AM »
How much would you charge to let the public walk and drive on your private property?
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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2017, 09:30:37 AM »
How much would you charge to let the public walk and drive on your private property?

Wow...you condone this?  Well, I dont even have a response for you.

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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2017, 09:32:47 AM »
How much would you charge to let the public walk and drive on your private property?

Wow...you condone this?  Well, I dont even have a response for you.

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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2017, 09:33:11 AM »
Also, you pay if it's Hancock, Rayonier, Green Diamond, Inland Empire Paper, etc.

The majority of private timberland in Washington now requires an access fee.

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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2017, 09:35:57 AM »
I'm just gonna come out and say it, I'm relatively new to hunting, live in eastern Wa. and had no idea until I joined this message board that timber companies charged money to hunt on their? land.

I put a question mark after the "their" for a reason.

Question. Do the timber companies own this land or do they lease it from the public?

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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2017, 09:38:33 AM »
I'm just gonna come out and say it, I'm relatively new to hunting, live in eastern Wa. and had no idea until I joined this message board that timber companies charged money to hunt on their? land.

I put a question mark after the "their" for a reason.

Question. Do the timber companies own this land or do they lease it from the public?
They own it.

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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2017, 09:42:17 AM »
People need to realize that it is PRIVATE PROPERTY.

They should be thankful for the opportunity......if it remains one.
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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2017, 09:53:23 AM »
How much would you charge to let the public walk and drive on your private property?

Wow...you condone this?  Well, I dont even have a response for you.

Figured after your "rant", that would be your response.
Go buy your own land and never worry about buying access to others.
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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2017, 09:57:05 AM »
They own the land, but they do get huge tax breaks.  :twocents:
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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2017, 10:02:03 AM »
How much would you charge to let the public walk and drive on your private property?

Wow...you condone this?  Well, I dont even have a response for you.

Don't hunt it.  Simple as that. Look into leasing fees elswhere. Yes, they do get tax breaks but frankly, it's as cheap of access as you will ever find.
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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2017, 10:04:43 AM »
I'll never understand why people complain about this.  It's private property. At least they give you the option to access it at all.  Am I missing something? Man...what would it be like if they didn't give access at all?
It's private property.....
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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2017, 10:04:59 AM »
And, for better or worse, one benefit is the limited number of permits does help some on the crowding in the more popular areas...
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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2017, 10:09:01 AM »
:yeah:

A couple hundred bucks to drive in doesn't seem like a bad deal to me, especially if you look into prices of leasing your own place or buying your own private property. $50 to walk in is a bargain!

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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2017, 10:17:26 AM »
They own the land, but they do get huge tax breaks.  :twocents:

And?

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« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2017, 10:21:25 AM »
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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2017, 10:24:57 AM »
It's private property and they can do what they want, but we still have a right to complain. Originally the huge tax breaks were given to these companies with the understanding that the public would always have access to these lands. Of course the problem was they never put it in writing.

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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2017, 10:27:02 AM »
The public does still have access, just for a small fee. I don't see the issue. If you own your own land, you get to make the rules.  :dunno:
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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2017, 10:31:28 AM »
The public does still have access, just for a small fee. I don't see the issue. If you own your own land, you get to make the rules.  :dunno:

Well, not exactly true. It's debatable whether the fee is "small," but besides that, the only people that get access are those who are online with a high speed internet connection at the designated time, and are able to purchase a permit before they are all gone, which sometimes is only about 3 minutes.

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« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2017, 10:34:04 AM »
They own the land, but they do get huge tax breaks.  :twocents:

And?

And what?  :dunno:

The designated forest land tax program has no implications on public access. Many thousands of landowners across the state utilize the same program (albeit on a smaller scale), and they do not have to grant access to others. Sounds like you already many know this, just wanted to offer more info for others to better understand the issue!  :)

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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2017, 10:38:45 AM »
I don't see the issue. If you own your own land, you get to make the rules.  :dunno:

Well, not exactly true. It's debatable whether the fee is "small," but besides that, the only people that get access are those who are online with a high speed internet connection at the designated time, and are able to purchase a permit before they are all gone, which sometimes is only about 3 minutes.
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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2017, 10:44:03 AM »
If you add up all the access fees, it is a drop in the bucket.  They are not making money on access fees.  I would bet they spend more than that on garbage, security and damage 3X.    :twocents:
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« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2017, 10:49:40 AM »
I know some land managers, owners. The fees they charge barley cover the clean up costs associated with allowing people on the land. They do it to provide an opportunity for those willing to pay to play....but, some of these opportunities are on the verge of becoming non existent...they are tired of how people treat the land
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Re: Are you kidding me?
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2017, 10:52:15 AM »
The public does still have access, just for a small fee. I don't see the issue. If you own your own land, you get to make the rules.  :dunno:

Well, not exactly true. It's debatable whether the fee is "small," but besides that, the only people that get access are those who are online with a high speed internet connection at the designated time, and are able to purchase a permit before they are all gone, which sometimes is only about 3 minutes.

I know it is a sore subject for those of us that have been around long enough to remember how it was.

It is debatable on what is a small fee, but something to consider is that spread it out over the lenght of the permit and it is less than what a lot of pepole pay for a cup of coffee a day.

Some areas include camping at no extra charge and firewood cutting as well. 

The quick selling out of areas like Vail is a pain, but I think it fair to say, those who do not have high speed internet probably know someone who does. Is it a pain...yes, but certainly doable.

As has been said, at least there is the opportunity to get out in the timberlands, it could certainly be shut down with no chance to access it, and no recourse to fight it.

Think places like Capitol Forrest are over run now...??

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« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2017, 10:52:26 AM »
At least they allow access to a lot of landlocked state land. In montana you cant access state land many times EVEN if a piece of state land touches it on the corner.   No “corner crossing”  allowed. Crazy.