Multiple wolf packs in the Methow Valley?

[Boss .300 winmag]

They ve been wintering above Lundgrens


Funny the biologist doesn’t know that....but then again, just lookout wolves right

( especially considering their HQ is about 2 miles away)

Wow, just wow 

Want to her wow?

Word on the street from a very reliable source (I not going into why person is so reliable not burning my source) that the bios know of a pack by Darrington but doesn’t exist because no collars on them, and no dna yet. 

[Special T]

They ve been wintering above Lundgrens


Funny the biologist doesn’t know that....but then again, just lookout wolves right

( especially considering their HQ is about 2 miles away)

Wow, just wow 

Want to her wow?

Word on the street from a very reliable source (I not going into why person is so reliable not burning my source) that the bios know of a pack by Darrington but doesn’t exist because no collars on them, and no dna yet. 

That would make sense. My mother and wife saw one up at lake Cavanaugh on 2 desperate occasions.

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[jackelope]

They ve been wintering above Lundgrens


Funny the biologist doesn’t know that....but then again, just lookout wolves right

( especially considering their HQ is about 2 miles away)

Wow, just wow 

Want to her wow?

Word on the street from a very reliable source (I not going into why person is so reliable not burning my source) that the bios know of a pack by Darrington but doesn’t exist because no collars on them, and no dna yet. 

That would make sense. My mother and wife saw one up at lake Cavanaugh on 2 desperate occasions.

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But collars don't confirm a pack.
Does DNA?

[Boss .300 winmag]

They ve been wintering above Lundgrens


Funny the biologist doesn’t know that....but then again, just lookout wolves right

( especially considering their HQ is about 2 miles away)

Wow, just wow 

Want to her wow?

Word on the street from a very reliable source (I not going into why person is so reliable not burning my source) that the bios know of a pack by Darrington but doesn’t exist because no collars on them, and no dna yet. 

That would make sense. My mother and wife saw one up at lake Cavanaugh on 2 desperate occasions.

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But collars don't confirm a pack.
Does DNA?

They’ve seen them, but without collars, and dna samples they don’t exist. Just another stall tactic to keep them on the list.

[jackelope]

What I meant was, as far as I know (...which isn't very far....) I didn't think the wolves needed to be collared in order to call them a pack.
You said

the bios know of a pack by Darrington but doesn’t exist because no collars on them

which made me think you were saying they needed to be collared in order to be called a pack. Maybe I misunderstood.

[bobcat]

I think what they need is proof that the wolves they know about are actually raising pups successfully. As an actual pack. Without collars to track them maybe they haven't yet been able to get the evidence they need. It's not just that they don't have collars so they can't call it a pack. There's scientific protocol that the average person doesn't know about, including myself. I doubt they're trying to hide the fact that there are wolves in a particular area.

[Special T]

Yup... unless they can scientifically prove there is a pack it doesn't exist.

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[Boss .300 winmag]

Quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, poops like a duck, flys like a duck...... hhhhmmmm just might be a duck.

[Special T]

There are several people that could bring the proof but it would be bleeding all over in the bed of thier truck.

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[Boss .300 winmag]

There are several people that could bring the proof but it would be bleeding all over in the bed of thier truck.

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That’s probably why they aren’t talking about them, lots of folks there would tame them if found.

[Special T]

Well they have been ignoring peoples sightings for long enough it would be ironic if a dead one showed up on thier doorstep with a note of where they could be found.

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[Boss .300 winmag]

Well they have been ignoring peoples sightings for long enough it would be ironic if a dead one showed up on thier doorstep with a note of where they could be found.

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That would be hilarious.

Bet they would still have to test the dna before confirming it.

[WAcoyotehunter]

A "pack" is a meaningless measure.  The state needs "Breeding pairs" to count towards recovery.  A pack is just a couple animals travelling together... a breeding pair is a mated pair that raises pups until January 1 of the next year.  It's a tough measure for sure.  Recovery is based on the number of breeding pairs throughout three portions of the state.  NE Washington has LOTS of packs and breeding pairs, but is not considered recovered until the S Cascades unit recovers, which will be a while. 

It's a good thing we don't manage moose, sheep, turkeys, goats, ect with the same mindset.

[jackelope]

I think what they need is proof that the wolves they know about are actually raising pups successfully. As an actual pack. Without collars to track them maybe they haven't yet been able to get the evidence they need. It's not just that they don't have collars so they can't call it a pack. There's scientific protocol that the average person doesn't know about, including myself. I doubt they're trying to hide the fact that there are wolves in a particular area.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[jackelope]

A "pack" is a meaningless measure.  The state needs "Breeding pairs" to count towards recovery.  A pack is just a couple animals travelling together... a breeding pair is a mated pair that raises pups until January 1 of the next year.  It's a tough measure for sure.  Recovery is based on the number of breeding pairs throughout three portions of the state.  NE Washington has LOTS of packs and breeding pairs, but is not considered recovered until the S Cascades unit recovers, which will be a while. 

It's a good thing we don't manage moose, sheep, turkeys, goats, ect with the same mindset.

Thanks for clarifying, Bart.