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Salmon fishing/Not likley
« on: December 13, 2017, 07:23:12 AM »
If you wana get really pissed off this am read the article on king 5 about the secret meetings between wdfw and the tribe's...

And people wonder why we distrust the state so much and see the tribe's as resource killers.

I can't post a link from my phn....


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Re: Salmon fishing/Not likley
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2017, 07:45:31 AM »
Wow, the WDFW really made an end run around the people who pay their bills. This is ridiculous.  :bash:
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Re: Salmon fishing/Not likley
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2017, 07:50:08 AM »
Wow, the WDFW really made an end run around the people who pay their bills. This is ridiculous.  :bash:
But not surprising.
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Re: Salmon fishing/Not likley
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2017, 08:12:15 AM »
How come the Washington State Department of Fish and Wildlife is following the state law concerning open meetings?  Are they exempt from following state laws? 

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Re: Salmon fishing/Not likley
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2017, 08:32:00 AM »
Habitat loss and nets can't belong in the same sentence.  Of course the tribes are reducing their fishing days to compensate correct?  I may as well sell my boat.

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Re: Salmon fishing/Not likley
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2017, 08:58:02 AM »
Wow, the WDFW really made an end run around the people who pay their bills. This is ridiculous.  :bash:
But not surprising.

Nope, unfortunately it's not. Having been shut out of a Spokane WAG meeting, it doesn't surprise me at all.
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Re: Salmon fishing/Not likley
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2017, 09:53:14 AM »
Wow, the WDFW really made an end run around the people who pay their bills. This is ridiculous.  :bash:
But not surprising.
There is an amazing disconnect. Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised that they can't connect the dots enough to see why they exist.
What reason do we need the WDFW if they arnt interested in sportsmen... one would think a merger of them and parks would and welcomed not fought...

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Re: Salmon fishing/Not likley
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2017, 09:54:50 AM »
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Re: Salmon fishing/Not likley
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2017, 10:01:19 AM »
Wow, the WDFW really made an end run around the people who pay their bills. This is ridiculous.  :bash:
But not surprising.
There is an amazing disconnect. Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised that they can't connect the dots enough to see why they exist.
What reason do we need the WDFW if they arnt interested in sportsmen... one would think a merger of them and parks would and welcomed not fought...

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As near as I can tell, it at least appears that all they are interested in doing is justifying their payroll.
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Re: Salmon fishing/Not likley
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2017, 10:20:34 AM »
Habitat loss and nets can't belong in the same sentence.  Of course the tribes are reducing their fishing days to compensate correct?  I may as well sell my boat.
Yeah, it really grinds to see a few rivers with habitat greater than you can imagine.  And one can get netted six days a week and the fish are now listed as threatened.

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Re: Salmon fishing/Not likley
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2017, 10:34:43 AM »
Do the Feds have any jurisdiction over the tribes due to the Kings being on the ESA list? I know the state can't do anything due to treaty rights, just a question, not a trolling comment to inflame anyone.  :twocents:
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Re: Salmon fishing/Not likley
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2017, 05:44:08 PM »
I'll wait to see what the outcome is, but I'm not holding my breath for a positive one.  Everyone collectively agrees the WDFW is worthy of plenty of criticism and takes it fair share of jabs.  I agree they should and they have more than made their own beds.  It is stuff like this that also feeds into the narrative against the tribes.  I'm tired of the vale of secrecy and sovereignty they hide behind.  If they are going to accept partnerships with WDFW on NOA application and co-management of shared resources they need to show some transparency and good faith to the general public.  The explanation of the treaty's and Boldt decision is tiresome also.  Things adapt, change and require adjustment.  All most of us are asking of the tribes is to be a little more forthcoming and transparent if they also want us to not assume the worst and be frustrated.  If they don't care about the frustrations and public image it shows, by all means carry on.  But to continue to decry any of us who are frustrated with the secret meetings and lack of transparency on harvest numbers, is hypocritical and insulting.  If you want a conversation, HAVE ONE IN PUBLIC!!!!

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Re: Salmon fishing/Not likley
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2017, 12:02:24 AM »
I think they don't want a conversation.

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Re: Salmon fishing/Not likley
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2017, 12:25:41 AM »
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Re: Salmon fishing/Not likley
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2017, 06:04:15 AM »
I'll wait to see what the outcome is, but I'm not holding my breath for a positive one.  Everyone collectively agrees the WDFW is worthy of plenty of criticism and takes it fair share of jabs.  I agree they should and they have more than made their own beds.  It is stuff like this that also feeds into the narrative against the tribes.  I'm tired of the vale of secrecy and sovereignty they hide behind.  If they are going to accept partnerships with WDFW on NOA application and co-management of shared resources they need to show some transparency and good faith to the general public.  The explanation of the treaty's and Boldt decision is tiresome also.  Things adapt, change and require adjustment.  All most of us are asking of the tribes is to be a little more forthcoming and transparent if they also want us to not assume the worst and be frustrated.  If they don't care about the frustrations and public image it shows, by all means carry on.  But to continue to decry any of us who are frustrated with the secret meetings and lack of transparency on harvest numbers, is hypocritical and insulting.  If you want a conversation, HAVE ONE IN PUBLIC!!!!

Excellent and respectful comment.  Thank you.

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Re: Salmon fishing/Not likley
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2017, 07:14:14 AM »
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Re: Salmon fishing/Not likley
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2017, 07:45:39 AM »
I'll wait to see what the outcome is, but I'm not holding my breath for a positive one.  Everyone collectively agrees the WDFW is worthy of plenty of criticism and takes it fair share of jabs.  I agree they should and they have more than made their own beds.  It is stuff like this that also feeds into the narrative against the tribes.  I'm tired of the vale of secrecy and sovereignty they hide behind.  If they are going to accept partnerships with WDFW on NOA application and co-management of shared resources they need to show some transparency and good faith to the general public.  The explanation of the treaty's and Boldt decision is tiresome also.  Things adapt, change and require adjustment.  All most of us are asking of the tribes is to be a little more forthcoming and transparent if they also want us to not assume the worst and be frustrated.  If they don't care about the frustrations and public image it shows, by all means carry on.  But to continue to decry any of us who are frustrated with the secret meetings and lack of transparency on harvest numbers, is hypocritical and insulting.  If you want a conversation, HAVE ONE IN PUBLIC!!!!

I can't disagree with this. Well and respectfully put.
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Re: Salmon fishing/Not likley
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2017, 10:33:01 AM »
Unfortunately this looks like we continue down the path of the double whammy - no or short seasons without making any changes that will recover the fish.  I think you either do what you need to recover the fish as quickly as possible or let what will happen happen.  If I was king of the world, I would say we are going to have some wild salmon but not in every river.  Here are the rivers we can and will protect and the rest will be hatchery based.  Instead, what we get is everyone suffering and the fish still teetering on the brink of the void.  Simply moving the percentage of sport kill a few percent isn't going to lead to recovery.

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Re: Salmon fishing/Not likley
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2017, 10:59:34 AM »
Unfortunately this looks like we continue down the path of the double whammy - no or short seasons without making any changes that will recover the fish.  I think you either do what you need to recover the fish as quickly as possible or let what will happen happen.  If I was king of the world, I would say we are going to have some wild salmon but not in every river.  Here are the rivers we can and will protect and the rest will be hatchery based.  Instead, what we get is everyone suffering and the fish still teetering on the brink of the void.  Simply moving the percentage of sport kill a few percent isn't going to lead to recovery.

I vote Stein for King! I agree with this, we have major issues that need to be addressed like the marine mammal protection act. Similar to the issue with wolves and deer/elk populations if you introduce/protect apex predators you will see a decline in fish stocks. Marine mammal population is currently higher than it has ever been, especially seals in Puget Sound, and this has more impact than treaty/non-treaty combined. There once was a day in the peak of habitat destruction when there was also a bounty on sealions and the salmon populations were booming. Wild stocks protection and sport/commercial fisheries no-longer go hand in hand. There are to many users of the resource, you me and my neighbor all have boats, to rely on wild stocks if we want opportunity we need to produce as many hatchery fish as possible and remove predators.

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Re: Salmon fishing/Not likley
« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2017, 11:41:43 AM »
 :yeah: That's ironic! I just saw in the mouth of the Stilly probably the last of 3 wild steelhead being ripped to shreds by a hungry seal. Too bad there isn't a market for seals. Man has made this unbalance so it is up to man to correct it. Not blaming the tribes really because Judge Bolte gave them the right to profit from fish stocks,but something has to give? Greed and the over cancerous population of mankind will be the ultimate demise of the circle of life(salmon).
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Re: Salmon fishing/Not likley
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2017, 12:03:25 AM »
Maybe someone can clear this up for me, if I fish M.A. 11 and catch a wild king I have to let it go, but if this same king goes up the Puyallup river into a gill net it's ok, Seems to me there is only one user group here following the rules.

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Re: Salmon fishing/Not likley
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2017, 05:37:33 AM »
I think theirs a broad assumption that truly wild fish still exist in some of these rivers. Most are just un clipped hatchery fish.

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Re: Salmon fishing/Not likley
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2017, 05:39:41 AM »
Do you think the ESA feels the same way? Not intended to be sarcastic.

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Re: Salmon fishing/Not likley
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2017, 05:42:27 AM »
Do you think the ESA feels the same way? Not intended to be sarcastic.

Nope. Because they use the ideal for season setting, or in many cases no- season setting reasoning.

 

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