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Wolves Kill 154 Cows In Just One Northwest Minnesota County
« on: January 01, 2018, 12:23:30 AM »
Wolves Kill 154 Cows In Just One Northwest Minnesota County





Midwest farmers say wolves are a growing problem, urge Washington to act

http://www.graydc.com/content/news/Midwest-farmers-say-wolves-are-a-growing-problem-urge-Washington-to-act-466303513.html

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Re: Wolves Kill 154 Cows In Just One Northwest Minnesota County
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2018, 04:34:24 AM »
Those are staggering numbers.  Hopefully videos like this will bring some attention to the dire situation in some states and areas but, it is not likely.  They will keep their pointy little heads held high and claim it is nature running its course.  :mor:
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Re: Wolves Kill 154 Cows In Just One Northwest Minnesota County
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2018, 08:08:34 AM »
Thank you wolfbait, everyone should do their best to distribute this video.  Someone gets it

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Re: Wolves Kill 154 Cows In Just One Northwest Minnesota County
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2018, 09:56:34 AM »
One wolf to the other "Where's the beef!"

My inlaws all quit going north to hunt in MN/WI because they started seeing more wolves than deer, the wolves have to eat something!  TOTAL MADNESS!
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Re: Wolves Kill 154 Cows In Just One Northwest Minnesota County
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2018, 11:16:29 AM »
One wolf to the other "Where's the beef!"

My inlaws all quit going north to hunt in MN/WI because they started seeing more wolves than deer, the wolves have to eat something!  TOTAL MADNESS!

grew up not far from there and used to grouse hunt up there in the 1970's early 80's not uncommon to see 40 60 deer in the big hay fields at night. Usually count over 200 deer a night shining fields which is legal there. Went home last year and in 3 hours of shining fields saw 2 does.

My friends abck at home say they get many more pics of wolves now on trail cams then deer. I used to go home and bow hunt rut every year for oover 20 years. I stopped because the wolves cleaned out most of the deer.

And they shut down wolf hunting in Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan . Howling for wolves was one of the groups involved in the lawsuit to end wolf hunting. Minnesota has over 2000 wolves now and increasing 30 per cent a year!!!!They are closely associated with conservation NW.

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Re: Wolves Kill 154 Cows In Just One Northwest Minnesota County
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2018, 12:43:24 PM »
One wolf to the other "Where's the beef!"

My inlaws all quit going north to hunt in MN/WI because they started seeing more wolves than deer, the wolves have to eat something!  TOTAL MADNESS!

Minnesotans usually take 150,000 to over 200,000 deer a year.  In the last 20 years there have only been 2 years where the harvest was under 150,000...... 1997 at 143,327 and 2014 at 138,442. Don't know about 2017 but 2015 and 2016 the harvest was 159,343 and 173,213 respectively, so the population is climbing again. I'd guess the 2014 down cycle was weather/habitat related. The population peaked between 2003 and 2006 then started a decline. Now it's on the incline again.

http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/wildlife/deer/reports/harvest/deerharvest_2016.pdf

Wisconsin still harvests about 300,000 deer per year. Down from the peak of about 600,000 deer in 2000. But they made a concerted effort to lower the deer population in those days because they had way too many. You could get multiple deer tags and shooting does was definitely encouraged, in fact in 2000, 356,741 does were taken by rifle hunters and 46,220 were taken by bow hunters.  Compare that to Washington's TOTAL (bucks and does) harvest for 2000 of 40,976 deer. So in 2000 in Wisconsin, bow hunters alone killed more does than the total deer harvest in Washington.

http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/WildlifeHabitat/documents/deerhistory.pdf

I don't think either state has a deer shortage.

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Re: Wolves Kill 154 Cows In Just One Northwest Minnesota County
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2018, 01:54:11 PM »
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/outdoors/2017/11/28/wisconsin-gun-deer-harvest-dips-35-year-low/900566001/


most of the harvest is in the south part of the state with fewer or no wolves but am sure you know that

i ve deer hunted in Wisconsin over 30 years.How many years have you hunted there? The deer hunting there used to be world class and over 4 months long.

Same guys who come on here and sing the praises of wolves in Washington, Idaho, Montana and CNW :dunno:


yep the weather is to blame once again

The northern Wisconsin deer herd, especially, has benefitted from three consecutive mild winters and several years of “buck only” regulations intended to allow more female deer to live and reproduce.


Over 3500 wolves in Minnesota and Minnesota, hunting shutdown by anti hunting groups and wolf populations growing uncontrolled  now at 30 per cent a year

Anti hunting Groups like howling for wolves and conservation nw  should pay these farmers for their losses if they want exploding uncontrolled wolf populations and no way to control them. Their dream of ending all hunting is slowly coming to fruition




One wolf to the other "Where's the beef!"

My inlaws all quit going north to hunt in MN/WI because they started seeing more wolves than deer, the wolves have to eat something!  TOTAL MADNESS!

Minnesotans usually take 150,000 to over 200,000 deer a year.  In the last 20 years there have only been 2 years where the harvest was under 150,000...... 1997 at 143,327 and 2014 at 138,442. Don't know about 2017 but 2015 and 2016 the harvest was 159,343 and 173,213 respectively, so the population is climbing again. I'd guess the 2014 down cycle was weather/habitat related. The population peaked between 2003 and 2006 then started a decline. Now it's on the incline again.

http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/wildlife/deer/reports/harvest/deerharvest_2016.pdf

Wisconsin still harvests about 300,000 deer per year. Down from the peak of about 600,000 deer in 2000. But they made a concerted effort to lower the deer population in those days because they had way too many. You could get multiple deer tags and shooting does was definitely encouraged, in fact in 2000, 356,741 does were taken by rifle hunters and 46,220 were taken by bow hunters.  Compare that to Washington's TOTAL (bucks and does) harvest for 2000 of 40,976 deer. So in 2000 in Wisconsin, bow hunters alone killed more does than the total deer harvest in Washington.

http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/WildlifeHabitat/documents/deerhistory.pdf

I don't think either state has a deer shortage.
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Re: Wolves Kill 154 Cows In Just One Northwest Minnesota County
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2018, 11:29:23 PM »
You gotta be kidding me!  :yike:
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Re: Wolves Kill 154 Cows In Just One Northwest Minnesota County
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2018, 04:54:23 AM »
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/outdoors/2017/11/28/wisconsin-gun-deer-harvest-dips-35-year-low/900566001/

most of the harvest is in the south part of the state with fewer or no wolves but am sure you know that

i ve deer hunted in Wisconsin over 30 years.How many years have you hunted there? The deer hunting there used to be world class and over 4 months long.

Same guys who come on here and sing the praises of wolves in Washington, Idaho, Montana and CNW :dunno:

yep the weather is to blame once again

The northern Wisconsin deer herd, especially, has benefitted from three consecutive mild winters and several years of “buck only” regulations intended to allow more female deer to live and reproduce.


Never hunted Wisconsin. But that's irrelevant.  The facts are the facts. You can choose to believe them or not. The Wisconsin DNR has a lot of data that they share.

So, as to my guess of weather....... well, this was actually pretty predictable.
 
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/environment/heavy-winter-kill-likely-means-no-doe-hunt-in-northern/article_9e9a57bd-5c2e-50e4-91d1-97b66a6d6934.html

Two bad winters in a row and heavy winter kill.  Which led to the restrictions you cited and the three mild winters since have helped the herd grow again.

As for "singing the praises of wolves", I'm not sure many do that on this site. But there are some of us who say that the harm done to game populations is way overstated by some. 

If you are really interested in the different ways deer die in Wisconsin, this radio collar study they did is pretty interesting. You'd be surprised to know that wolves weren't that big of a factor in how deer died.  The major factor was hunters, even when it came to fawns.  As for fawn mortality, there were two groups that were studied, (Northern forest fawns and Eastern farmland fawns) As you probably expected in the northern forest, predation was the #1 cause of death. But of 16 fawns that died by Dec 31, only one was killed by a wolf. The leader was bobcats at 4 and bear and coyotes at 2 each and 2 by unknown predators. Hunters took 3, and a poacher took 1 and 1 was a road kill. In the Eastern farm land, the causes of death were far different.  Of the 19 radio collared fawns that died there, Only 4 were killed by predators. One by bobcat, 2 by coyotes and one by a domestic dog.  Disease killed 4, and starvation killed 9, and 2 by hunters.  My guess would be that the farmland has less cover from snow and less to eat in the winter after crops are harvested and the diseased ones were starving which made them more susceptible to disease.  So fawns died in both areas but from mostly different causes. And wolves weren't the problem.

http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/wildlifehabitat/research/documents/Deer_Annual_Report_2013_2014.pdf
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Re: Wolves Kill 154 Cows In Just One Northwest Minnesota County
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2018, 04:59:16 AM »
Take it easy there sitka- there can't possibly be more to the story than wolves killing everything and conservation groups cheering them on.   ;)

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Re: Wolves Kill 154 Cows In Just One Northwest Minnesota County
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2018, 07:02:57 AM »
Take it easy there sitka- there can't possibly be more to the story than wolves killing everything and conservation groups cheering them on.   ;)
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Re: Wolves Kill 154 Cows In Just One Northwest Minnesota County
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2018, 11:20:59 AM »
Take it easy there sitka- there can't possibly be more to the story than wolves killing everything and conservation groups cheering them on.   ;)
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Yea...and what's with all the facts?...this is a wolf thread!

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Re: Wolves Kill 154 Cows In Just One Northwest Minnesota County
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2018, 12:05:13 PM »
Apparently you did

When someone comes on here and redefines  eco terrorists and anti hunting groups as conservation groups you know that facts don’t matter

That was pretty funny I bet when you read that people’s livelihoods are being destroyed by wolves.
Where’s cnw on this massive loss of livestock by wolves?

I thought they supported all user groups




Take it easy there sitka- there can't possibly be more to the story than wolves killing everything and conservation groups cheering them on.   ;)
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Yea...and what's with all the facts?...this is a wolf thread!

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Re: Wolves Kill 154 Cows In Just One Northwest Minnesota County
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2018, 12:34:02 PM »

When someone comes on here and redefines  eco terrorists and anti hunting groups as conservation groups you know that facts don’t matter

That was pretty funny I bet when you read that people’s livelihoods are being destroyed by wolves.
Where’s cnw on this massive loss of livestock by wolves?

I thought they supported all user groups

CNW probably doesn't do much about wolves in Minnesota, considering it's like 1500 miles from the NW...

I actually like your comment about redefining the term "conservation group" and somewhat agree.  I think we (hunters) did a poor job of protecting the term.  Hunting groups (DU, RMEF, SCI, ect) need to take that term back and make other groups "earn" the title. 

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Re: Wolves Kill 154 Cows In Just One Northwest Minnesota County
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2018, 08:44:01 AM »
posted this before regarding conservation nw and howling for wolves

Howling for wolves is a virulent left wing anti hunting group that has filed lawsuits in Minnesota to shut down wolf control and end all hunting

Mat Johnson staff of CNW

Matt has extensive professional experience and education in information technology systems and electronics. After realizing both the deplorable status that non-human animals hold in modern society and the constant degradation of the environment by humanity, he decided to apply his training to solving these problems by working for a world-class non-profit, Conservation Northwest. MMatt also has experience as a volunteer for the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society and Howling For Wolves, is trained as a Minnesota Master Naturalist, and worked on a successful campaign to limit pesticide use in Minneapolis, among many other conservation-related activities.


And sierra club, a close ally of cnw and major anti hunting group, has been involved in shutting down wolf control in the midwest

I posted a link on CNW's facebook page in the past talking about engaging in activism with sierra club

need any more proof :dunno:






When someone comes on here and redefines  eco terrorists and anti hunting groups as conservation groups you know that facts don’t matter

That was pretty funny I bet when you read that people’s livelihoods are being destroyed by wolves.
Where’s cnw on this massive loss of livestock by wolves?

I thought they supported all user groups

CNW probably doesn't do much about wolves in Minnesota, considering it's like 1500 miles from the NW...

I actually like your comment about redefining the term "conservation group" and somewhat agree.  I think we (hunters) did a poor job of protecting the term.  Hunting groups (DU, RMEF, SCI, ect) need to take that term back and make other groups "earn" the title.

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Re: Wolves Kill 154 Cows In Just One Northwest Minnesota County
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2018, 11:38:22 AM »
I'm not sure I understand your argument.  Are you thinking CNW should be involved or interested in wolves in MN because thier IT guy worked there at one time?

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Re: Wolves Kill 154 Cows In Just One Northwest Minnesota County
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2018, 12:22:20 PM »
I grew up hunting deer in Northern Minnesota and across Wisconsin and the Wolves population just follows the booms and bust of the deer populations across Northern Minnesota.

In the early 2000's there was about 7 or 8 years of very mild winters that allowed the deer population to go thru the roof.  Wisco had such an over abundance of deer that they instituted a "Earn a Buck" tags where you actually had to tag and register a doe before you could use your buck tag.  You also were given 3 deer tags with license, one being a buck tag.  The states were aggressively lowering the deer pops, so Id venture to say the wolves haven't drastically lowered hunter success rates at all. 

And remember Minnesota has more wolves living there then Washington, Idaho, Montana, Oregon and Wyoming... COMBINED! and there still is deer there.  I am not some wolf conservationist but I think the wolf impact is a little over stated.  I feel we do need to allow hunting on them just like we do with all other predators, to control numbers.  The days of "Leave Nature alone" need to end.  Humans have had far too much impact on our environment to just let things be as a conservation tool. 

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Re: Wolves Kill 154 Cows In Just One Northwest Minnesota County
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2018, 01:21:07 PM »
And remember Minnesota has more wolves living there then Washington, Idaho, Montana, Oregon and Wyoming... COMBINED! and there still is deer there.  I am not some wolf conservationist but I think the wolf impact is a little over stated.  I feel we do need to allow hunting on them just like we do with all other predators, to control numbers. 

I agree with your take, elkchaser.  For the most part, wolves don't change things hunting-wise. There are other factors that have a bigger impact.  When they do prove to be a big part of the problem, deal with them. Manage them just like other species.  Focusing strictly on wolves means a lot of the other factors get ignored. And you walk around pissed off all the time.
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Re: Wolves Kill 154 Cows In Just One Northwest Minnesota County
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2018, 01:29:53 PM »
Well its a whole lot better to be pissed off than pissed on.

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Re: Wolves Kill 154 Cows In Just One Northwest Minnesota County
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2018, 02:35:38 PM »
To the original post:   that is a ton of livestock to lose to wolves. 

The map with the pins was quite effective. 

And I do think that those folks ought to be able to use aggressive means to protect their livestock. 

I'd have way more sympathy for those who want more wolves if they'd actually put their own $$$$$ towards paying the farmer's losses.
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Re: Wolves Kill 154 Cows In Just One Northwest Minnesota County
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2018, 06:20:45 PM »
I agree with all that Dan-o

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Re: Wolves Kill 154 Cows In Just One Northwest Minnesota County
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2018, 06:22:10 PM »

And I do think that those folks ought to be able to use aggressive means to protect their livestock. 


I agree.  The non lethal methods are mostly a joke. And getting the State involved every time animals need to be taken out is unnecessarily expensive, and takes too long. When animals need to be dealt with it needs to be done now, in real time. The thing is, wolves are smart as many animals are. If they immediately get shot at when behaving badly and a few get killed, the rest learn to be careful. Just like deer do after opening day.
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Re: Wolves Kill 154 Cows In Just One Northwest Minnesota County
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2018, 10:53:32 PM »
And remember Minnesota has more wolves living there then Washington, Idaho, Montana, Oregon and Wyoming... COMBINED! and there still is deer there.  I am not some wolf conservationist but I think the wolf impact is a little over stated.  I feel we do need to allow hunting on them just like we do with all other predators, to control numbers. 

I agree with your take, elkchaser.  For the most part, wolves don't change things hunting-wise. There are other factors that have a bigger impact.  When they do prove to be a big part of the problem, deal with them. Manage them just like other species.  Focusing strictly on wolves means a lot of the other factors get ignored. And you walk around pissed off all the time.

One should remember the Yellowstone elk herd etc. when the devastation of game herds is brought to the forefront.

To say that "wolves don't change things hunting-wise",  is utter BS, and shows extreme ignorance.



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Re: Wolves Kill 154 Cows In Just One Northwest Minnesota County
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2018, 06:10:32 AM »
One wolf to the other "Where's the beef!"

My inlaws all quit going north to hunt in MN/WI because they started seeing more wolves than deer, the wolves have to eat something!  TOTAL MADNESS!

Minnesotans usually take 150,000 to over 200,000 deer a year.  In the last 20 years there have only been 2 years where the harvest was under 150,000...... 1997 at 143,327 and 2014 at 138,442. Don't know about 2017 but 2015 and 2016 the harvest was 159,343 and 173,213 respectively, so the population is climbing again. I'd guess the 2014 down cycle was weather/habitat related. The population peaked between 2003 and 2006 then started a decline. Now it's on the incline again.

http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/wildlife/deer/reports/harvest/deerharvest_2016.pdf

Wisconsin still harvests about 300,000 deer per year. Down from the peak of about 600,000 deer in 2000. But they made a concerted effort to lower the deer population in those days because they had way too many. You could get multiple deer tags and shooting does was definitely encouraged, in fact in 2000, 356,741 does were taken by rifle hunters and 46,220 were taken by bow hunters.  Compare that to Washington's TOTAL (bucks and does) harvest for 2000 of 40,976 deer. So in 2000 in Wisconsin, bow hunters alone killed more does than the total deer harvest in Washington.

http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/WildlifeHabitat/documents/deerhistory.pdf

I don't think either state has a deer shortage.

Do you trust the Liberal Game Department enough to publish the TRUE NUMBERS OF DEER HARVESTED?  They can publish any number they want to achieve their agenda.

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Re: Wolves Kill 154 Cows In Just One Northwest Minnesota County
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2018, 07:32:35 AM »
If you don't believe "nothing you read and half of what you see" you really limit yourself.  I would chalk that up as bad advice.

Yeah, I believe the harvest report from.the agency.  I suspect misrepresentation by hunters (falsely reporting) is more of a problem than agency misconduct.

 

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