300 WSM vs 300 Win mag

[M_ray]

If you are wanting to to shoot in the 160grn range why not go with a 7mmrm or wsm and not have a break? I shot a 300wm for 25 years and in the past 4 years I have shot 168 Bergers from a 7 rm and 7 wsm without a break and its like a dream. BTW I had shot everything from 150's to 200's out of the 300.

[M_ray]

I might add with a break on the 300 an it is really really loud!!!  besides the coefficients of the 7mm are awesome in the 160+ range

[Antlershed]

You can’t argue with the BC’s of the 7mm’s if you’re looking to shoot something in the 160’s. I will throw out though that my .300wsm has significantly less recoil than the .300 Win Mag I used to own. Also used to have a .300 RUM with a break...got tired of having to remember to put ear plugs in before I shot, and paid the price the couple times I forgot. 

[farmin4u_98948]

You can’t argue with the BC’s of the 7mm’s if you’re looking to shoot something in the 160’s. I will throw out though that my .300wsm has significantly less recoil than the .300 Win Mag I used to own. Also used to have a .300 RUM with a break...got tired of having to remember to put ear plugs in before I shot, and paid the price the couple times I forgot. 

My ears have not stopped ringing since I got muzzle blast from a brake off of a tree 12 years ago. I hate brakes

[RB]

I might add with a break on the 300 an it is really really loud!!!  besides the coefficients of the 7mm are awesome in the 160+ range

 

On the noise! Have had more than one person give me dirty looks at the range and hurt my ears when in a hurry to shoot!

[jdb]

Why not shoot 160’s in your .270wsm?

[farmin4u_98948]

Tried it.  Just wont work. Plus. It’s time for a new rifle

[Magnum_Willys]

800+ wm with 215’s.   Under 800 wsm with 180’s or lighter. 

[Biggerhammer]

Under 180 grain bullets, I would go wsm.
Over the 180 I would go a longer pipe and winny

Hahaha! You don't need a longer "Pipe" with the heavies and a .300 Win Mag. The heavies intrude on the powder column/ Space in the .300 WSM chambering(On a short action).  You can't even play the heavy game with a factory .300 WSM. Let alone a custom short action with a extended box. You don't need a longer barrel in a .300 Win Mag to out perform a 180gr from a .300 WSM.

Hence, pick your bullet weight. Choose your chambering accordingly. People try to make their chambering to work with their bullet weight.

If you know anything at all when it comes to chamberings, bullet performance and hunting or target shooting/competition. You choose you bullet diameter, manufacturer and weight. Then you select your chambering. The rest is just fluff and senseless yapping. Like putting the cart before the horse.

Some chambering are just super accurate no matter the load. Double radios shoulder cartridges with a monster free bore suck!  A double radios shoulder is like going back to the 40's. Nostalgic but lame. Change the throat spec, great. A double radios still sucks!

[carpsniperg2]

Under 180 grain bullets, I would go wsm.
Over the 180 I would go a longer pipe and winny

Hahaha! You don't need a longer "Pipe" with the heavies and a .300 Win Mag. The heavies intrude on the powder column/ Space in the .300 WSM chambering(On a short action).  You can't even play the heavy game with a factory .300 WSM. Let alone a custom short action with a extended box. You don't need a longer barrel in a .300 Win Mag to out perform a 180gr from a .300 WSM.

Hence, pick your bullet weight. Choose your chambering accordingly. People try to make their chambering to work with their bullet weight.

If you know anything at all when it comes to chamberings, bullet performance and hunting or target shooting/competition. You choose you bullet diameter, manufacturer and weight. Then you select your chambering. The rest is just fluff and senseless yapping. Like putting the cart before the horse.

Some chambering are just super accurate no matter the load. Double radios shoulder cartridges with a monster free bore suck!  A double radios shoulder is like going back to the 40's. Nostalgic but lame.

  LOL you crack me up man. I saw the title of this thread and thought man hammer is going to loose it on this.
As we have discussed before longer pipes = more burn for slower powders used a lot with heavys. When the faster lighter bullets can use the quicker burn powders with shorter pipes very well.

I could go 300wsm and 375 ruger. You can go 300 win and 375 HH. As long and the critter is dead or the x ring in it has a hole in it doesn't matter much.

[j_h_nimrod]

On recoil:

I consistently hear people say arbitrarily that this or that caliber recoils more or less than another, bull... 

Recoil energy is a function of bullet mass, exit velocity, powder charge, and rifle weight.

Perceived recoil is a function of the above plus stock geometry and recoil pad type.

A 175 out of a 28 nosler in a 10lb rifle still has about as much recoil energy as a 180 out of a .300 WM on an 8 lb rifle, and a 180 gr .300 WSM has almost exactly the same recoil energy as a .300 WM in a same weight rifle. Physics 101.

I prefer the .300 WM, one of the most popular cartridges of all time and superior to the WSM with bullets much above 165. At 180 they are ~ equal in velocity but the pressure is peaking in the WSM and the WM is still not capped out.

Rarely do you hear of feeding issues in the WM and while they have mostly been weeded out in the WSM, they still occur more frequently. Barrel lengths are typically the same for the same bullet/velocity so you really only lose ~1/2” for action length which is negligible.

To each their own, many still feel the .308 is enough. It comes down to a personal opinion in the end. I remember going into Gardenschwartz Sports in Durango, CO about 25 years ago and asking to see a box of .300 H&H, .300WM, and .300 Weatherby. The salesman tried to tell me the difference in ballistics and that seeing the cartridges was a moot point.  I knew the ballistics top to bottom but wanted to see the cartridges Side by side for what I thought “looked” the best or was “sexiest” or just felt better when I handled it. All empirical data aside it came down to my opinion of what I thought or felt was best to me. My opinions have changed in most areas but I still shoot a .300 WM (not as my first choice, but high up there) and think it is one of the best all around big game options.

My .02

[JeffRaines]

It seems like the 300wsm is just a souped-up 30-06, whereas the 300 is in a realm of its own. Sure, you can shoot 165 or 180s out of the 300, just as you can shoot 220s out of the 06, but you don't see very many people doing it.

[Biggerhammer]

Under 180 grain bullets, I would go wsm.
Over the 180 I would go a longer pipe and winny

Hahaha! You don't need a longer "Pipe" with the heavies and a .300 Win Mag. The heavies intrude on the powder column/ Space in the .300 WSM chambering(On a short action).  You can't even play the heavy game with a factory .300 WSM. Let alone a custom short action with a extended box. You don't need a longer barrel in a .300 Win Mag to out perform a 180gr from a .300 WSM.

Hence, pick your bullet weight. Choose your chambering accordingly. People try to make their chambering to work with their bullet weight.

If you know anything at all when it comes to chamberings, bullet performance and hunting or target shooting/competition. You choose you bullet diameter, manufacturer and weight. Then you select your chambering. The rest is just fluff and senseless yapping. Like putting the cart before the horse.

Some chambering are just super accurate no matter the load. Double radios shoulder cartridges with a monster free bore suck!  A double radios shoulder is like going back to the 40's. Nostalgic but lame.

  LOL you crack me up man. I saw the title of this thread and thought man hammer is going to loose it on this.
As we have discussed before longer pipes = more burn for slower powders used a lot with heavys. When the faster lighter bullets can use the quicker burn powders with shorter pipes very well.

I could go 300wsm and 375 ruger. You can go 300 win and 375 HH. As long and the critter is dead or the x ring in it has a hole in it doesn't matter much.

) Loose it? When you catch up, let me know.😘 I'm not watching my rear view for you Carp.👍

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[BULLBLASTER]

I like having a brake on my 300. Ear plugs don’t bother me as I wear them even when hunting with out a brake. But it was sure nice to watch all 3 deer I shot with my 300 last fall drop in the scope and see bullet impacts.

[mountainman]

"I could go 300wsm and 375 ruger. You can go 300 win and 375 HH. As long and the critter is dead or the x ring in it has a hole in it doesn't matter much. "

Yep, not enough difference on game between those 2 comparisons. Dead is dead. Its all preference..
I have a Tikka with a 30" Hart the is quite phenomenal at extended rage with 200 SMK's. But it's got the right twist for it.