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Any photo of the bull?
I'd probably call this one example.https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01699/wdfw01699.pdfAnother.https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01859/wdfw01859.pdfAnother.https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01950/wdfw01950.pdfIf I get some time later, I'll hit the googler again.
Quote from: jackelope on January 25, 2018, 10:59:34 AMI'd probably call this one example.https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01699/wdfw01699.pdfAnother.https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01859/wdfw01859.pdfAnother.https://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01950/wdfw01950.pdfIf I get some time later, I'll hit the googler again.Are you saying these are funded by proceeds from the raffle and auction? Not swg? Other? Twg?
Quote from: hunterofelk on January 25, 2018, 09:37:59 AMAgain, the rich hunter gets the privilege. Sorry to be cynical, I think some animals should be able off limits if the average hunter can't hunt them. In the fall of 2015, in the area we deer hunt, we saw many moose. We called it the year of the moose. Maybe so many moved in because of some wildfires that late summer. I don't know if it is the same one from grundy53 avatar, but one big, old bull was very visible to just about everyone hunting there. Big for a shiras. My guess word got out and next bidder had to kill it so a little nudging and a little dangling of dollars and those units where opened.I was at an auction in Bellevue and the moose tag was on the list. Someone said it wouldn't go for much because the dollar amount for successful bid could get you a moose hunt in Canada or Alaska where an average mature bull is bigger.I know the guy who worked to get those units opened up. I will tell you with 100% certainty that it had nothing to do with money. Had everything to do with more hunter opportunity. The auction money goes to the species so the moose populations in WA will benefit from the money these auctions raise. In terms of moose here vs. Canada or Alaska, I'm not sure what you heard was accurate either. That or the person saying it maybe wasn't too familiar with moose. You're talking about 2 different subspecies of moose. It's like saying you shouldn't hunt Coues whitetails because there are huge whitetail bucks in Iowa. If you want a big Shiras bull, Washington has some of the biggest Shiras bulls in the country. The mountain goat tag sold here for ~$25k. You can do a couple BC mountain goat hunts for that money and hunt the biggest goats in the world. These guys have more reasons than just killing giant animals when buying these tags.
Again, the rich hunter gets the privilege. Sorry to be cynical, I think some animals should be able off limits if the average hunter can't hunt them. In the fall of 2015, in the area we deer hunt, we saw many moose. We called it the year of the moose. Maybe so many moved in because of some wildfires that late summer. I don't know if it is the same one from grundy53 avatar, but one big, old bull was very visible to just about everyone hunting there. Big for a shiras. My guess word got out and next bidder had to kill it so a little nudging and a little dangling of dollars and those units where opened.I was at an auction in Bellevue and the moose tag was on the list. Someone said it wouldn't go for much because the dollar amount for successful bid could get you a moose hunt in Canada or Alaska where an average mature bull is bigger.
Quote from: jackelope on January 25, 2018, 10:12:35 AMQuote from: hunterofelk on January 25, 2018, 09:37:59 AMAgain, the rich hunter gets the privilege. Sorry to be cynical, I think some animals should be able off limits if the average hunter can't hunt them. In the fall of 2015, in the area we deer hunt, we saw many moose. We called it the year of the moose. Maybe so many moved in because of some wildfires that late summer. I don't know if it is the same one from grundy53 avatar, but one big, old bull was very visible to just about everyone hunting there. Big for a shiras. My guess word got out and next bidder had to kill it so a little nudging and a little dangling of dollars and those units where opened.I was at an auction in Bellevue and the moose tag was on the list. Someone said it wouldn't go for much because the dollar amount for successful bid could get you a moose hunt in Canada or Alaska where an average mature bull is bigger.I know the guy who worked to get those units opened up. I will tell you with 100% certainty that it had nothing to do with money. Had everything to do with more hunter opportunity. The auction money goes to the species so the moose populations in WA will benefit from the money these auctions raise. In terms of moose here vs. Canada or Alaska, I'm not sure what you heard was accurate either. That or the person saying it maybe wasn't too familiar with moose. You're talking about 2 different subspecies of moose. It's like saying you shouldn't hunt Coues whitetails because there are huge whitetail bucks in Iowa. If you want a big Shiras bull, Washington has some of the biggest Shiras bulls in the country. The mountain goat tag sold here for ~$25k. You can do a couple BC mountain goat hunts for that money and hunt the biggest goats in the world. These guys have more reasons than just killing giant animals when buying these tags.Shouldn't it be troubling that the WDFW section manager is working with a forester from the other side of the state when the district bio (who I'm not a fan of) has said there is a huntable population spread across his district for years? Special interest wins again and the average hunter gets screwed. I hold zero ill will to the players but the game is fixed and rank and file hunters lose more opportunities. This trend will continue. Just like the deviation from the scientific sideboards simply to benefit the SALE of oil species.
Quote from: Tbar on January 25, 2018, 01:32:29 PMQuote from: jackelope on January 25, 2018, 10:12:35 AMQuote from: hunterofelk on January 25, 2018, 09:37:59 AMAgain, the rich hunter gets the privilege. Sorry to be cynical, I think some animals should be able off limits if the average hunter can't hunt them. In the fall of 2015, in the area we deer hunt, we saw many moose. We called it the year of the moose. Maybe so many moved in because of some wildfires that late summer. I don't know if it is the same one from grundy53 avatar, but one big, old bull was very visible to just about everyone hunting there. Big for a shiras. My guess word got out and next bidder had to kill it so a little nudging and a little dangling of dollars and those units where opened.I was at an auction in Bellevue and the moose tag was on the list. Someone said it wouldn't go for much because the dollar amount for successful bid could get you a moose hunt in Canada or Alaska where an average mature bull is bigger.I know the guy who worked to get those units opened up. I will tell you with 100% certainty that it had nothing to do with money. Had everything to do with more hunter opportunity. The auction money goes to the species so the moose populations in WA will benefit from the money these auctions raise. In terms of moose here vs. Canada or Alaska, I'm not sure what you heard was accurate either. That or the person saying it maybe wasn't too familiar with moose. You're talking about 2 different subspecies of moose. It's like saying you shouldn't hunt Coues whitetails because there are huge whitetail bucks in Iowa. If you want a big Shiras bull, Washington has some of the biggest Shiras bulls in the country. The mountain goat tag sold here for ~$25k. You can do a couple BC mountain goat hunts for that money and hunt the biggest goats in the world. These guys have more reasons than just killing giant animals when buying these tags.Shouldn't it be troubling that the WDFW section manager is working with a forester from the other side of the state when the district bio (who I'm not a fan of) has said there is a huntable population spread across his district for years? Special interest wins again and the average hunter gets screwed. I hold zero ill will to the players but the game is fixed and rank and file hunters lose more opportunities. This trend will continue. Just like the deviation from the scientific sideboards simply to benefit the SALE of oil species. The game is certainly fixed.
Quote from: trophyhunt on January 25, 2018, 02:05:02 PMQuote from: Tbar on January 25, 2018, 01:32:29 PMQuote from: jackelope on January 25, 2018, 10:12:35 AMQuote from: hunterofelk on January 25, 2018, 09:37:59 AMAgain, the rich hunter gets the privilege. Sorry to be cynical, I think some animals should be able off limits if the average hunter can't hunt them. In the fall of 2015, in the area we deer hunt, we saw many moose. We called it the year of the moose. Maybe so many moved in because of some wildfires that late summer. I don't know if it is the same one from grundy53 avatar, but one big, old bull was very visible to just about everyone hunting there. Big for a shiras. My guess word got out and next bidder had to kill it so a little nudging and a little dangling of dollars and those units where opened.I was at an auction in Bellevue and the moose tag was on the list. Someone said it wouldn't go for much because the dollar amount for successful bid could get you a moose hunt in Canada or Alaska where an average mature bull is bigger.I know the guy who worked to get those units opened up. I will tell you with 100% certainty that it had nothing to do with money. Had everything to do with more hunter opportunity. The auction money goes to the species so the moose populations in WA will benefit from the money these auctions raise. In terms of moose here vs. Canada or Alaska, I'm not sure what you heard was accurate either. That or the person saying it maybe wasn't too familiar with moose. You're talking about 2 different subspecies of moose. It's like saying you shouldn't hunt Coues whitetails because there are huge whitetail bucks in Iowa. If you want a big Shiras bull, Washington has some of the biggest Shiras bulls in the country. The mountain goat tag sold here for ~$25k. You can do a couple BC mountain goat hunts for that money and hunt the biggest goats in the world. These guys have more reasons than just killing giant animals when buying these tags.Shouldn't it be troubling that the WDFW section manager is working with a forester from the other side of the state when the district bio (who I'm not a fan of) has said there is a huntable population spread across his district for years? Special interest wins again and the average hunter gets screwed. I hold zero ill will to the players but the game is fixed and rank and file hunters lose more opportunities. This trend will continue. Just like the deviation from the scientific sideboards simply to benefit the SALE of oil species. The game is certainly fixed. @trophyhunt Would you rather have more moose tags a few years from now and an auction tag now or just say screw it...no more tags at all? Shoot me straight...
Quote from: jackelope on January 25, 2018, 03:06:08 PMQuote from: trophyhunt on January 25, 2018, 02:05:02 PMQuote from: Tbar on January 25, 2018, 01:32:29 PMQuote from: jackelope on January 25, 2018, 10:12:35 AMQuote from: hunterofelk on January 25, 2018, 09:37:59 AMAgain, the rich hunter gets the privilege. Sorry to be cynical, I think some animals should be able off limits if the average hunter can't hunt them. In the fall of 2015, in the area we deer hunt, we saw many moose. We called it the year of the moose. Maybe so many moved in because of some wildfires that late summer. I don't know if it is the same one from grundy53 avatar, but one big, old bull was very visible to just about everyone hunting there. Big for a shiras. My guess word got out and next bidder had to kill it so a little nudging and a little dangling of dollars and those units where opened.I was at an auction in Bellevue and the moose tag was on the list. Someone said it wouldn't go for much because the dollar amount for successful bid could get you a moose hunt in Canada or Alaska where an average mature bull is bigger.I know the guy who worked to get those units opened up. I will tell you with 100% certainty that it had nothing to do with money. Had everything to do with more hunter opportunity. The auction money goes to the species so the moose populations in WA will benefit from the money these auctions raise. In terms of moose here vs. Canada or Alaska, I'm not sure what you heard was accurate either. That or the person saying it maybe wasn't too familiar with moose. You're talking about 2 different subspecies of moose. It's like saying you shouldn't hunt Coues whitetails because there are huge whitetail bucks in Iowa. If you want a big Shiras bull, Washington has some of the biggest Shiras bulls in the country. The mountain goat tag sold here for ~$25k. You can do a couple BC mountain goat hunts for that money and hunt the biggest goats in the world. These guys have more reasons than just killing giant animals when buying these tags.Shouldn't it be troubling that the WDFW section manager is working with a forester from the other side of the state when the district bio (who I'm not a fan of) has said there is a huntable population spread across his district for years? Special interest wins again and the average hunter gets screwed. I hold zero ill will to the players but the game is fixed and rank and file hunters lose more opportunities. This trend will continue. Just like the deviation from the scientific sideboards simply to benefit the SALE of oil species. The game is certainly fixed. @trophyhunt Would you rather have more moose tags a few years from now and an auction tag now or just say screw it...no more tags at all? Shoot me straight...I have no problem with auction tags but if they are using all this money to benefit moose and increase the population so that the average joe will have more tags available why did they just reduce youth anterless cow tags from 18 to 1 tag? Maybe the problem with the auction tags are what they do with the money.
Quote from: idaho guy on January 25, 2018, 06:56:31 PMQuote from: jackelope on January 25, 2018, 03:06:08 PMQuote from: trophyhunt on January 25, 2018, 02:05:02 PMQuote from: Tbar on January 25, 2018, 01:32:29 PMQuote from: jackelope on January 25, 2018, 10:12:35 AMQuote from: hunterofelk on January 25, 2018, 09:37:59 AMAgain, the rich hunter gets the privilege. Sorry to be cynical, I think some animals should be able off limits if the average hunter can't hunt them. In the fall of 2015, in the area we deer hunt, we saw many moose. We called it the year of the moose. Maybe so many moved in because of some wildfires that late summer. I don't know if it is the same one from grundy53 avatar, but one big, old bull was very visible to just about everyone hunting there. Big for a shiras. My guess word got out and next bidder had to kill it so a little nudging and a little dangling of dollars and those units where opened.I was at an auction in Bellevue and the moose tag was on the list. Someone said it wouldn't go for much because the dollar amount for successful bid could get you a moose hunt in Canada or Alaska where an average mature bull is bigger.I know the guy who worked to get those units opened up. I will tell you with 100% certainty that it had nothing to do with money. Had everything to do with more hunter opportunity. The auction money goes to the species so the moose populations in WA will benefit from the money these auctions raise. In terms of moose here vs. Canada or Alaska, I'm not sure what you heard was accurate either. That or the person saying it maybe wasn't too familiar with moose. You're talking about 2 different subspecies of moose. It's like saying you shouldn't hunt Coues whitetails because there are huge whitetail bucks in Iowa. If you want a big Shiras bull, Washington has some of the biggest Shiras bulls in the country. The mountain goat tag sold here for ~$25k. You can do a couple BC mountain goat hunts for that money and hunt the biggest goats in the world. These guys have more reasons than just killing giant animals when buying these tags.Shouldn't it be troubling that the WDFW section manager is working with a forester from the other side of the state when the district bio (who I'm not a fan of) has said there is a huntable population spread across his district for years? Special interest wins again and the average hunter gets screwed. I hold zero ill will to the players but the game is fixed and rank and file hunters lose more opportunities. This trend will continue. Just like the deviation from the scientific sideboards simply to benefit the SALE of oil species. The game is certainly fixed. @trophyhunt Would you rather have more moose tags a few years from now and an auction tag now or just say screw it...no more tags at all? Shoot me straight...I have no problem with auction tags but if they are using all this money to benefit moose and increase the population so that the average joe will have more tags available why did they just reduce youth anterless cow tags from 18 to 1 tag? Maybe the problem with the auction tags are what they do with the money.The moose population is hurting, not because of a governor tag, but due to disease and wolves, I would support an end to all antlerless moose hunting until the population begins increasing again.
